Jesus Feeding the 5000 and Creating Complex Objects With Apparent-Embedded Age

[Heissonear]

The Bible has Scriptures that make obvious that one of God's Ways is to Create complex objects with Apparent-Embedded Age.

Objects that have the Appearance of going through natural processes over time to look and exhibit the intrinsic characteristics they display.

This is an Attribute and Ability that the Creator has displayed before many.

Another account in the Scriptures is when Jesus feed the 5000. God's purpose was obvious. A clear display of Creating Natural Objects With Apparent-Embedded Age.

The people who ate the bread and fish Created with Apparent-Embedded Age could not know the difference. They appeared to be made by natural process.

 

[Speedwell]

Another account in the Scriptures is when Jesus feed the 5000. God's purpose was obvious. A clear display of Creating Natural Objects With Apparent-Embedded Age.

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The people who ate the bread and fish Created with Apparent-Embedded Age could not know the difference. They appeared to be made by natural process.

How do you know they were "created with imbedded age?" They may not have been created on the spot at all.--Jesus could have miraculously transported them from another place.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

They appeared to be made by natural process.

Could you please explain the natural process for making barley loaves?

 

[Sorn]

Extra loaves and fish were not created for this miracle. Instead the pieces that were broken off to give to someone were recreated and added back to the larger piece it came from while the smaller piece was being given away.
This way, from 5 loaves and 2 fish the crowd was fed.

So in this sense they were 'created with embedded age' as the OP suggests. So they were created to be the same as if they had gone through the normal processes of, in the case of fish, being born, and growing to a certain age before being caught and in the case of the bread, being harvested, milled and baked.

The implication of the OP, which I don't really agree with, is that then God could also have created Oil, or fossils or any number of things that could also be created via natural processes over a long period of time.

 

[Heissonear]

How do you know they were "created with imbedded age?" They may not have been created on the spot at all.--Jesus could have miraculously transported them from another place.

Strike one, and a miss.

Let the Lord lead. It is obvious what He displayed. All in line with His Ways He shows us.

 

[Speedwell]

Strike one, and a miss.

Let the Lord lead. It is obvious what He displayed. All in line with His Ways He shows us.

You're just being silly. We do not know how Jesus brought about that miracle. The Bible doesn't tell us.

 

[Heissonear]

Extra loaves and fish were not created for this miracle. Instead the pieces that were broken off to give to someone were recreated and added back to the larger piece it came from while the smaller piece was being given away.
This way, from 5 loaves and 2 fish the crowd was fed.

So in this sense they were 'created with embedded age' as the OP suggests. So they were created to be the same as if they had gone through the normal processes of, in the case of fish, being born, and growing to a certain age before being caught and in the case of the bread, being harvested, milled and baked.

The implication of the OP, which I don't really agree with, is that then God could also have created Oil, or fossils or any number of things that could also be created via natural processes over a long period of time.

You can be happy with your views. No problem at all.

But the Lord God chose to use Apparent-Embedded Age when He brought the Cosmos - and this Earth - into existence. Genesis presents such. We are in a young Creation.

The Scriptures present the Earth was Created and not evolved over time, as common manmade Earth Science teach.

Many have yet to learn how science has become an idol. They have exalted science as the way to learn.

Like in my other thread, foremost we are to be lead by the Holy Spirit and not only by intellect. A train wrech has happen because of this and error abounds.

Many think they can set aside being born again and baptized by the Holy Spirit. They are a miss in what their intellect obtains and concludes without the Anointing and Teaching by the Holy Spirit.

 

[GeorgeJ]

Ah yes....one of the favorites from the YEC group.

It's hilarious how folks can stretch things to fit their "biblical" beliefs.

 

[Heissonear]

You're just being silly. We do not know how Jesus brought about that miracle. The Bible doesn't tell us.

Do you have an Anointing from Him?

Does He teach you things, clearly by the Anointing, that at His chosing bring Light/Truth/Reality into your mind?

Or do you live by intellect and academics only?

Let us know if you have been baptized by the Holy Spirit and have an Anointing that teaches.

 

[Heissonear]

Ah yes....one of the favorites from the YEC group.

It's hilarious how folks can stretch things to fit their "biblical" beliefs.

Let me ask, does the below exists, that a person can be baptized by the Holy Spirit?

 

[GeorgeJ]

Funny....there's a lot of folks running around claiming to be "baptized and anointed by the Holy Spirit" who have views different than yours.

At some point, you need to use the brain that the Creator gave you instead of promoting the silliness that you claim He gave you, but didn't.

 

[Heissonear]

Could you please explain the natural process for making barley loaves?

Natural process account for many things we presently do. As humans we engineer many processes by use of natural materials and innovated equipment.

But the train wreck occurred in application of the Earth Sciences to Earth's origin and history.

I'm a scientists by upbringing, academic institutions, and by 35 years profession. My career title is Staff Scientist.

Science is made to be in our time application. Such is how the Creator has set things up.

Science can easily become an idol people exalt and use when by-passing Him. Such is where most of mankind has stumbled in our Modern Times.

 

[Heissonear]

Funny....there's a lot of folks running around claiming to be "baptized and anointed by the Holy Spirit" who have views different than yours.

At some point, you need to use the brain that the Creator gave you instead of promoting the silliness that you claim He gave you, but didn't.

I'm asking you.

 

[GeorgeJ]

I'm asking you.

If you mean this.....

Let me ask, does the below exists, that a person can be baptized by the Holy Spirit?

........then that question don't make a lick of sense.

 

[HitchSlap]

It's just a story in a book. Take it for what it is.

 

[GeorgeJ]

It's just a story in a book. Take it for what it is.

...not only that, but what he is purporting isn't even in that book.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Natural process account for many things we presently do. As humans we engineer many processes by use of natural materials and innovated equipment.

But the train wreck occurred in application of the Earth Sciences to Earth's origin and history.

I'm a scientists by upbringing, academic institutions, and by 35 years profession. My career title is Staff Scientist.

Science is made to be in our time application. Such is how the Creator has set things up.

Science can easily become an idol people exalt and use when by-passing Him. Such is where most of mankind has stumbled in our Modern Times.

So that's your explanation of the natural process for making barley loaves? i must admit i was expecting something a little more to do with making bread.

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

These posts are so pointless. This is like the half dozenth of these types of posts in the past few days. The third or fourth just from Hession. Isn't there an apolagetics forum or something the likes of which Hession, dad and others could happily post their views on this or that scripture without cluttering up what is supposed to be a debate forum for creationism and the Theory of Evolution where evidence for and against can be presented and discussed?

This is why I frequently go on hiatus and don't comment much. It's probably a lot of the reason quality contributor regulars like Loudmouth don't post here anymore. It's just a lot of, quite frankly, nonsense with no real content relevant to the forum. I mean how do these OPs expect people to respond? You don't think people who disagree with your pet theory of scriptural interpretation have the holy spirit? Well, um, ok??? Who cares? Got some evidence in support of creation to present? Post that. Let's see it. Let's discuss that.

 

[Speedwell]

These posts are so pointless. This is like the half dozenth of these types of posts in the past few days. The third or fourth just from Hession. Isn't there an apolagetics forum or something the likes of which Hession, dad and others could happily post their views on this or that scripture without cluttering up what is supposed to be a debate forum for creationism and the Theory of Evolution where evidence for and against can be presented and discussed?

There is a Christians-only forum on the subject, full of self-congratulatory rhetoric.

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

There is a Christians-only forum on the subject, full of self-congratulatory rhetoric.

I guess this is what happens when they shut down the philosophy forums too. This stuff fits better over there IMO.