Jesus expects His followers to be keeping the Sabbath.

[Bob S]

Well Bob,

You're once again completely wrong. It seems you have a serious problem understanding the English language.

fulfill, fulfilling, fulfills- WordWeb dictionary definition

complete​

1 of 2

adjective​

com·plete kəm-ˈplēt

completer; completest
Synonyms of complete
1
a
: having all necessary parts, elements, or steps
a complete diet

b
of a protein : containing all essential amino acids
Beans and grains combined together form a complete protein.


2
a
: total, absolute
complete silence

b
: fully carried out : thorough
a complete renovation

c
of a football pass : legally caught

3
: brought to an end : concluded
a complete period of time


4
: highly proficient
a complete artist


5
of a subject or predicate : including modifiers, complements, or objects

6
of insect metamorphosis : characterized by the occurrence of a pupal stage between the motile immature stages and the adult compare incomplete sense 3

7
: having all four sets of floral organs

8
of a metric space : having the property that every Cauchy sequence of elements converges to a limit in the space

completely adverb
completeness noun
completive
kəm-ˈplē-tiv
adjective
complete
2 of 2

verb​

completed; completing
transitive verb
1
: to bring to an end and especially into a perfected state
complete a painting


2
a
: to make whole or perfect
Its song completes the charm of the bird.

Her latest purchase completes her collection.

b
: to mark the end of
A rousing chorus completes the show.

c
: execute, fulfill
complete a contract


3
: to carry out (a forward pass) successfully
The quarterback completed 12 out of 18 passe

fulfill​

verb​

ful·fill fu̇(l)-ˈfil
also fə(l)-

variants or fulfil
fulfilled; fulfilling
Synonyms of fulfill
transitive verb
1
a
: to put into effect : execute
He fulfilled his pledge to cut taxes.

b
: to meet the requirements of (a business order)
Their order for more TVs was promptly fulfilled.

c
: to measure up to : satisfy
She hasn't yet fulfilled the requirements needed to graduate.

d
: to bring to an end
she came to install herself and fulfill her time at the house—Willa Cather

Jesus said He came to fulfill the prophets. We have to assume He meant prophesies about His coming. His coming ended those prophecies. Therefore Jesus Jesus fulfilled, brought to an end the prophecies. Wait just a minute. Jesus also in the same sentence said He also fulfilled the Law, duel purpose, brought to an end the Law.

 

[Gary K]

complete​

1 of 2

adjective​

com·plete kəm-ˈplēt

completer; completest
Synonyms of complete
1
a
: having all necessary parts, elements, or steps
a complete diet

b
of a protein : containing all essential amino acids
Beans and grains combined together form a complete protein.


2
a
: total, absolute
complete silence

b
: fully carried out : thorough
a complete renovation

c
of a football pass : legally caught

3
: brought to an end : concluded
a complete period of time


4
: highly proficient
a complete artist


5
of a subject or predicate : including modifiers, complements, or objects

6
of insect metamorphosis : characterized by the occurrence of a pupal stage between the motile immature stages and the adult compare incomplete sense 3

7
: having all four sets of floral organs

8
of a metric space : having the property that every Cauchy sequence of elements converges to a limit in the space

completely adverb
completeness noun
completive
kəm-ˈplē-tiv
adjective
complete
2 of 2

verb​

completed; completing
transitive verb
1
: to bring to an end and especially into a perfected state
complete a painting


2
a
: to make whole or perfect
Its song completes the charm of the bird.

Her latest purchase completes her collection.

b
: to mark the end of
A rousing chorus completes the show.

c
: execute, fulfill
complete a contract


3
: to carry out (a forward pass) successfully
The quarterback completed 12 out of 18 passe

fulfill​

verb​

ful·fill fu̇(l)-ˈfil
also fə(l)-

variants or fulfil
fulfilled; fulfilling
Synonyms of fulfill
transitive verb
1
a
: to put into effect : execute
He fulfilled his pledge to cut taxes.

b
: to meet the requirements of (a business order)
Their order for more TVs was promptly fulfilled.

c
: to measure up to : satisfy
She hasn't yet fulfilled the requirements needed to graduate.

d
: to bring to an end
she came to install herself and fulfill her time at the house—Willa Cather

Jesus said He came to fulfill the prophets. We have to assume He meant prophesies about His coming. His coming ended those prophecies. Therefore Jesus Jesus fulfilled, brought to an end the prophecies. Wait just a minute. Jesus also in the same sentence said He also fulfilled the Law, duel purpose, brought to an end the L

Matthew 5: 17 ¶Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Did you really think no one would notice you switched words? Complete is not fulfill. Two different words, two different meanings.

 

[Bob S]

Matthew 5: 17 ¶Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Did you really think no one would notice you switched words? Complete is not fulfill. Two different words, two different meanings.

I was hoping you would notice that it was you that pasted that "fulfill" could mean complete. Complete means to bring to an end. Jesus brought to an end the prophecies concerning Himself. He did the same for the Law. How could you not understand this fact? I know why, it upsets your applecart. It changes all you now believe. Indeed the Law (Torah) has been brought to an end. The new and better covenant of Grace abounds. The Law could never save even one Israelite. All Law was able to accomplish was to point out sin. As Paul wrote about the Law, it WAS the ministry of death. Keeping the Sabbath was never a salvation issue. Only in the writings of Ellen White do we find that she wrote that it is a salvation issue. She has hoodwinked millions of people who have never bothered to learn the real truth.

 

[Gary K]

I was hoping you would notice that it was you that pasted that "fulfill" could mean complete. Complete means to bring to an end. Jesus brought to an end the prophecies concerning Himself. He did the same for the Law. How could you not understand this fact? I know why, it upsets your applecart. It changes all you now believe. Indeed the Law (Torah) has been brought to an end. The new and better covenant of Grace abounds. The Law could never save even one Israelite. All Law was able to accomplish was to point out sin. As Paul wrote about the Law, it WAS the ministry of death. Keeping the Sabbath was never a salvation issue. Only in the writings of Ellen White do we find that she wrote that it is a salvation issue. She has hoodwinked millions of people who have never bothered to learn the real truth.

And the Bible. And she wrote that Sabbath keeping is not a salvation issue until the Sunday law is passed at the very end of time. There will be a lot of honest Sunday keepers in heaven, but no liars. Revelation 20: 8.

So, explain the parable of the 10 virgins to me as I know you disagree with the investigative judgment taught by Ellen White.

 

[Bob S]

And the Bible. And she wrote that Sabbath keeping is not a salvation issue until the Sunday law is passed at the very end of time. There will be a lot of honest Sunday keepers in heaven, but no liars. Revelation 20: 8.

So, explain the parable of the 10 virgins to me as I know you disagree with the investigative judgment taught by Ellen White.

Ellen speaks with a forked tongue. You tried but failed to defend her. The following five paragraphs say absolutely nothing about some distant future. Ellen wrote that because I know about the Sabbath and refuse to observe it I am lost.


But if we turn aside from the fourth commandment, so positively given by God, to adopt the inventions of Satan, voiced and acted by men under his control, we cannot be saved. We cannot with safety receive his traditions and subtleties as truth. {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 4} (emphasis mine)

No one who disregards the fourth commandment, after becoming enlightened in regard to the claims of the Sabbath, can be held guiltless in the sight of God. {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 14}

All will be judged according to the light that has shone upon them. If they have light upon the Sabbath, they cannot be saved in rejecting that light.{HS 234.3} (emphasis mine}

As persons become convinced from the Scriptures that the claims of the fourth commandment are still binding, the question is often raised, Is it necessary in order to secure salvation that we keep the Sabbath? This is a question of grave importance. If the light has shone from the word of God, if the message has been presented to men, as it was to Pharaoh, and they refuse to heed that message, if they reject the light, they refuse to obey God, and cannot be saved in their disobedience. {RH, January 5, 1886 par. 2} (emphasis mine)

“God gave the Sabbath to man as a memorial of the work of creation; and the Lord of heaven will not hold him guiltless who sets aside his commands, and teaches others in their place. He will reward every one according to his works.” (emphasis mine)
RH April 27, 1911, par. 8 Ellen taught Salvation by works.

“If the light of truth has been presented to you, revealing the Sabbath of the fourth commandment, and showing that there is no foundation in the Word of God for Sunday observance, and yet you still cling to the false sabbath, refusing to keep holy the Sabbath which God calls ‘my holy day,’ you receive the mark of the beast. When does this take place?—When you obey the decree that commands you to cease from labor on Sunday and worship God, while you know that there is not a word in the Bible showing Sunday to be other than a common working-day, you consent to receive the mark of the beast, and refuse the seal of God. If we receive this mark in our foreheads or in our hands, the judgments pronounced against the disobedient must fall upon us. But the seal of the living God is placed upon those who conscientiously keep the Sabbath of the Lord.”
RH April 27, 1911, par. 26

 

[Bob S]

And the Bible. And she wrote that Sabbath keeping is not a salvation issue until the Sunday law is passed at the very end of time. There will be a lot of honest Sunday keepers in heaven, but no liars. Revelation 20: 8.

So, explain the parable of the 10 virgins to me as I know you disagree with the investigative judgment taught by Ellen White.

Explain it to you?? I have no idea why you even approached the subject, What do the virgins and Ellen's false IJ have anything to do with the Sabbath being about salvation?

 

[Gary K]

Explain it to you?? I have no idea why you even approached the subject, What do the virgins and Ellen's false IJ have anything to do with the Sabbath being about salvation?

It's really sad that you are so consumed by hatred of Ellen White.

The parable of the 10 virgins demonstrates she is correct on the IJ. You cannot explain it and not admit she is correct. All 10 virgins claim to be Christians, but 5 don't have the presence of the HS dwelling in them and thus are lost when Jesus comes. It will be too late then to understand why.

I hope and pray you will allow the HS to change you before it is too late.

 

[HIM]

Happy Sabbath friend!

Yes, I already stated I agreed with this point. It goes from one event to the other with a second future application of 70AD where the antichrist tries to destroy the last temple God's Church.

Yes one eevent to another one time. Not twice, once. How do we know?
Because the great tribulation in Matt 24:21 can only happen once.
How do we know?
Because it says so when it states that such was not since the beginning of the world nor ever shall be.

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

We said.

We know also the Temple at the time of Jesus' prophecy is already desolate.

Here in the following quote you posed a question.

Where did you get that from. It wouldn't be a prophecy had it already happened. The temple was not destroyed until 70AD brought on by Israels abominations that left them desolate. Jesus now ministers from a heavenly temple and God's people are His earthy temple grafted in through faith.

Because Jesus stated that their house was left unto them desolate in Mat 23:38. This was answered previously. Here it is again

We know also the Temple at the time of Jesus' prophecy is already desolate.

Matt 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
Matt 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Why do you think the abomination of desolation only happens once. The temple was destroyed multiple times each time has great significance to the end of time events and abominations (repeated) which leads to final desolation (without Christ)

What makes you think the Abomination has anything to do with the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD? As was stated by you also. The rejection of Jesus is and was the Abomination. Once they did that the Temple was left unto them desolate. This was done already by the leaders in the Temple in Matt 23. And when Jesus walked out so did God.

Matt 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Matt 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

Matt 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

 

[HIM]

It's really sad that you are so consumed by hatred of Ellen White.

The parable of the 10 virgins demonstrates she is correct on the IJ. You cannot explain it and not admit she is correct. All 10 virgins claim to be Christians, but 5 don't have the presence of the HS dwelling in them and thus are lost when Jesus comes. It will be too late then to understand why.

I hope and pray you will allow the HS to change you before it is too late.

Happy Sabbath brother.

What is IJ?

 

[HIM]

Should I consider that a command?

Advice

Am I supposed to consider that some kind of a threat or is it your duty?

Holy Spirit is spelled Holy Spirit not Holly Spirit.

That is what was meant by the last sentence in the following quote. The first sentence is more advice.

Talking over someone and not addressing points already established is not how a discussion works. And you might want to edit the last sentence above.

Sorry Him, scripture indicates Jesus was referring to the Temple they just came from..

This does not answer the points given. You are just talking over and addressing the passages cited within the context of the passage. You posted the following.

24 Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2 “Do you see all these things?” he asked. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on ;another every one will be thrown down.”

Jesus was definitely referring to the temple and buildings, so your theory is flawed.

And this addressed the point you tried to make. Take note how it actually addresses your post.

"That was what instigated the questions. In answering the questions Jesus never addresses the destruction of the Temple.

Jesus only mentions the end and the sign of His coming.

Matt 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of theend of the world?

Matt 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

Matt 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Matt 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Matt 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."


You asked where to the following.

The world has taught that these verses in Matt 24 pertain to the Temple being destroyed., But Jesus has said in Matt 23:38, Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

Nowhere does Jesus mention the destruction of the Temple in His answer. That is a false teaching that can not be proven in the Holy Writ.

Where?

Where what?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Happy Sabbath friend!
We know also the Temple at the time of Jesus' prophecy is already desolate.

Matt 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
Matt 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Because it wasn't destroyed until 70AD as indicated by Jesus Mat 24:1-2 Luke 21:20-24. Mat 24 has a dual application, I am sorry you don't see it this way. I'll leave it as agree to disagree.

Happy Sabbath to you too!

 

[HIM]

Because it wasn't destroyed until 70AD as indicated by Jesus Mat 24:1-2 Luke 21:20-24. Mat 24 has a dual application, I am sorry you don't see it this way. I'll leave it as agree to disagree.

Happy Sabbath to you too!

Thank you! Desolation in 24:15 in the Greek implies abandonment.

Here is Strong's citation.
G2050 ἐρήμωσις eremosis (e-ree'-mō-sis) n.
despoliation.



DESPOLIATION, n. The act of despoiling; a stripping.

 

[HIM]

Because it wasn't destroyed until 70AD as indicated by Jesus Mat 24:1-2 Luke 21:20-24. Mat 24 has a dual application, I am sorry you don't see it this way. I'll leave it as agree to disagree.

Happy Sabbath to you too!

But it is one event. Not two, one. How do we know?
Because the great tribulation in Matt 24:21 can only happen once.
How do we know?
Because it says so when it states that such was not since the beginning of the world nor ever shall be.

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Thank you! Desolation in 24:15 in the Greek implies abandonment.

Here is Strong's citation.
G2050 ἐρήμωσις eremosis (e-ree'-mō-sis) n.
despoliation.



DESPOLIATION, n. The act of despoiling; a stripping.

Sounds like wat happened in 70AD, God destroyed His temple that was created so God could dwell with His people Exodus 25:8
Thats was the type

Now we are in the anti-type where the temple is our bodies- it represents His Church. Mark 13:14 takes on a new meaning sign for God's end time people.

You have to carefully study the destruction of the temples, not just 70AD which reveals as a type what will happen at the end of time. Which is why Mat 24 goes from 70AD to the Second Coming. and corelates with Daniel and Revelation.

 

[HIM]

Because it wasn't destroyed until 70AD as indicated by Jesus Mat 24:1-2 Luke 21:20-24. Mat 24 has a dual application, I am sorry you don't see it this way. I'll leave it as agree to disagree.

Happy Sabbath to you too!

But it is one event. Not two, one. How do we know?
Because the great tribulation in Matt 24:21 can only happen once.
How do we know?
Because it says so when it states that such was not since the beginning of the world nor ever shall be.

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

 

[Gary K]

Happy Sabbath brother.

What is IJ?

Investigative Judgment

 

[Bob S]

The day after the "Great Disappointment" Hiram Edson one of the Adventists, not Seventh-Day Adventists yet, was in deep thought while walking across a cornfield. It came to him that Jesus was not returning yet and actually went from the Holy Place to the Most Holy Place. He reckoned that the Sanctuary had yet to be cleansed so Jesus went there to cleanse it. Thus began the "Investigative Judgement", or the IJ. William Miller had the right time, but the wrong event. According to SDAs Jesus is still there going over the "books" and determining who is acceptable to save.

In Hebrews we read:
Hebrews 12:2
fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith. For the joy set before him he endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Can we agree that God the Father was in the Holy Place and that Jesus the Son ascended to the Holy Place to sit with the Father? If Hebrews is true then Jesus didn't wait until 1844 to go into the Holy Place to clean it. Could it be that Hiram got it all wrong and the SDA church has been teaching error all these years? There is a lot of history to be gleaned about the first part of the 19th century, the Great Disappointment, and how the SDA church had its beginning.

 

[Gary K]

The day after the "Great Disappointment" Hiram Edson one of the Adventists, not Seventh-Day Adventists yet, was in deep thought while walking across a cornfield. It came to him that Jesus was not returning yet and actually went from the Holy Place to the Most Holy Place. He reckoned that the Sanctuary had yet to be cleansed so Jesus went there to cleanse it. Thus began the "Investigative Judgement", or the IJ. William Miller had the right time, but the wrong event. According to SDAs Jesus is still there going over the "books" and determining who is acceptable to save.

In Hebrews we read:
Hebrews 12:2
fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith. For the joy set before him he endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Can we agree that God the Father was in the Holy Place and that Jesus the Son ascended to the Holy Place to sit with the Father? If Hebrews is true then Jesus didn't wait until 1844 to go into the Holy Place to clean it. Could it be that Hiram got it all wrong and the SDA church has been teaching error all these years? There is a lot of history to be gleaned about the first part of the 19th century, the Great Disappointment, and how the SDA church had its beginning.

You didn't explain the parable of the 10 virgins.

 

[Bob S]

You didn't explain the parable of the 10 virgins.

Need I?

 

[Gary K]

Need I?

Yes. You believe Ellen White is a deceiver so demonstrate your assertions are true.