Jesus' Died For What?

[Mr Ez]

i'm a bit confuse, did he died for the Adam's sin or for us to longer obey the 10 commandment?

 

[CPman2004]

Both, because he died for all sins of all humans in past, present, and future.

 

[helmikaarina]

i'm a bit confuse, did he died for the Adam's sin or for us to longer obey the 10 commandment?

The 10 commandments are still there for us to follow. As we cannot do it, Jesus had to die for our sins. That doesn't mean we shoudn't be trying. Life would be so much better if we could do God's will.

 

[Katzen]

The 10 commandments are still there for us to follow. As we cannot do it, Jesus had to die for our sins. That doesn't mean we shoudn't be trying. Life would be so much better if we could do God's will.

Well said!

 

[heron]

Look at it this way. There's help for heaven and help for earth. Jesus died to boost both. (Theologians, have mercy on me!)

You can be heaven-saved by believing that Jesus is Lord. But there's so much more to life! Being a part of God's kingdom puts you in the network of happenin' things. Once you tell God that you want to be a part of this kingdom, he will put you into seemingly impossible coincidences.

One example--two hours ago I had a hunch to stop somewhere on the way home from work, where I knew I'd run into a friend. I stopped in to see her, and her daughter was being rushed off to the hospital.

I was able to pray, and give her the sense that people were around to pick up the pieces. I didn't do much, but knew that God sent me there (very voluntarily) at that timing. Christian life is full of this stuff!

On the flip side, she was saved in that circumstance, by speedy EMTs and a slew of friends and family.

 

[holo]

The 10 commandments are still there for us to follow. As we cannot do it, Jesus had to die for our sins. That doesn't mean we shoudn't be trying. Life would be so much better if we could do God's will.

Actually, Paul said Jesus abolished the law. He also said the commandments written on stone tablets were nailed to the cross or something to that effect (can't remember the exact wording). That's good news, because it means we don't have to try. We just "clothe ourselves in Christ" as he so beautifully puts it. Our efforts are of no use, they'll burn up like straws.

Yes, life would be better if we could do God's will. But we can't. Only Jesus can. Therefore, rather than trusting ourselves and trying to get it right, we can trust Jesus to do the job for us. In fact, He already has. Consider yourself a sinner and you will sin. Look at the commandments and you will break them. Look at Jesus and live like you've never lived before.

 

[InspiredHome]

Our sin separates us from God because he is holy. Sin is anything that falls short of perfection. God alone is perfect. In order to bridge that chasm, Jesus willfully left heaven to be born of a virgin and to walk among us. He fully identifies with us in our pain and sufferings. He so wanted us to have a relationship with him, that he, being perfect, took it upon himself and willingly died in our stead.
The cross has now bridged that chasm to those who call on Jesus, making him the focus of their lives. The Bible says, the wages of sin is death. But Jesus paid that debt for us. It was the only way. Even if it were only you, he still would have died for you. He offers us eternal life and longs for us to have a personal relationship with him. That is what Christianity is truly about: Jesus.

 

[papakapp]

i'm a bit confuse, did he died for the Adam's sin or for us to longer obey the 10 commandment?

It's like this... Adam was laways a sinner, sin just was not credited to people AS SIN until adam ate from the tree of knowledge. (Romans 5:13) All of a sudden, Adam became concious that the things he was already doing were sin. At that time he became guilty of sin because he was given KNOWLEDGE (from the tree) that he was sinning. From Adam on to moses, everybody had knowledge that they were sinning. Since they knew they were sinning, they were guilty. (Romans 5:14)

Later, Jesus shows up and lives a life without sinning even though he posessed a human sin nature and a knowledge of what sin was (Romans 6:15)
So, Adam (one guy) blew it for all of us. and Jesus (one guy) fixed it for all of us.

WE are not free to sin now, we are free from the consequences of sinning even though we know that we are sinning. Before Adam had knowledge, he sinned but he was free from the consequences because he didn't know he was sinning. Now, we still sinn just like Adam did before he ate the fruit but we are free from the consequences because Jesus paid our consequences for us.

But, we do not get to sin as much as we want now because if we do, we are admitting that we do not understand how big of a deal it was for JEsus to die for us (Romand 6:1-4)

So, we still keep sinning but we do not DESIRE to keep sinning(Romans 7:15-25)

 

[GodFlute2]

He died for us. So that we might have a way to Heaven dispite our sins.

 

[seebs]

Not all Christians understand this the same way; it is arguably a mystery.

 

[Serapha]

i'm a bit confuse, did he died for the Adam's sin or for us to longer obey the 10 commandment?

Hi there!




Jesus died as the propitiation for our sins.

propitiation

that by which God is rendered propitious, i.e., by which it becomes consistent
with his character and government to pardon and bless the sinner.

The propitiation does not procure his love or make him loving; it only renders it consistent for him to execise his love towards sinners. In Rom. 3:25 and Heb. 9:5 (A.V., "mercy-seat") the Greek word _hilasterion_ is used. It is the word employed by the LXX. translators in Ex. 25:17 and elsewhere as the equivalent for the Hebrew _kapporeth_, which means "covering," and is used of the lid of the ark of the covenant (Ex. 25:21; 30:6).

This Greek word (hilasterion) came to denote not only the mercy-seat or lid of the ark, but also propitation or reconciliation by blood. On the great day of atonement the high priest carried the blood of the sacrifice he offered for all the people within the veil and sprinkled with it the "mercy-seat," and so made propitiation.

In 1 John 2:2; 4:10, Christ is called the "propitiation for our sins." Here a different Greek word is used (hilasmos). Christ is "the propitiation," because by his becoming our substitute and assuming our obligations he expiated our guilt, covered it, by the vicarious punishment which he endured. (Comp. Heb. 2:17, where the expression "make reconciliation" of the A.V. is more correctly in the R.V. "make propitiation.")

Source: Easton's 1897 Bible Dictionary

or for us to longer obey the 10 commandment?

The law was given at Sinai as a form of civil government for the Israelites who were entering into the Promised Land. A part of the law was the ten commandments, but other parts of the law included the history of the people and the instructions for worship and making offerings and sacrifices.


Sin is willful disobedience to God's will or instructions. God has always required a blood sacrifice for the atonement of sin. In the Old Testament, the blood sacrifices were made on altars, or in the tabernacle or in the temple. Jesus Christ became the final blood sacrifice (atonement) for sin. He paid the price for everyone at one time, therefore there is no more need for a blood sacrifice for the atonement of sin.

We are still to live under civil law and to obey the laws of the land (1 Peter 2:13-17, Romans 13)


~serapha~

 

[sinner/SAVED]

Jesus died for me! (and you.)

 

[Mr Ez]

allright thanks people.

 

[Rafael]

Jesus died to set men free of their fallen state of sin and death. It was for this reason He was born of the virgin Mary and had no earthy father who would pass on to Him the nature to sin and die. It was Jesus who was able to live the life as perfect before God and then offer up His own life in mankinds place as the passover lamb. When we apply the blood to our lives, God does not see our sin and we have communion with Him and access to Him through the death and resurrection to new life in Jesus. Without this grace God has given man, we face God with only our own works that reflect the fallen nature and death. To break one law is to be guilty of breaking them all, and their is no forgivenss of sin without the shedding of blood.

Le 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

 

[bluetoo]

Actually, Paul said Jesus abolished the law. He also said the commandments written on stone tablets were nailed to the cross or something to that effect (can't remember the exact wording). That's good news, because it means we don't have to try. We just "clothe ourselves in Christ" as he so beautifully puts it. Our efforts are of no use, they'll burn up like straws.

Yes, life would be better if we could do God's will. But we can't. Only Jesus can. Therefore, rather than trusting ourselves and trying to get it right, we can trust Jesus to do the job for us. In fact, He already has. Consider yourself a sinner and you will sin. Look at the commandments and you will break them. Look at Jesus and live like you've never lived before.

Woah, is that true? We aren't even supposed to try not to sin?

 

[Adoniram]

Because of Adam, sin came into the world. The 10 commandments (and the rest) were given as a guide to righteous living. But try as we might, we can never live up to those expectations. Not living up is called sin. Therefore, God instituted the blood sacrifices in the OT to atone for sin. Innocent blood had to be shed to make the atonement. In those days there were specific types of sacrifices for specific sins. And you had to keep offering the sacrifices to cover new sins.

When Jesus came, he did not abolish the law, but rather fulfilled it. He lived a sinless, perfect life according to all the laws. Then, he sacrificed his innocent blood for us. And because he is the Son of God, it was a perfect sacrifice, meaning that it was good for everyone, for all time. Once for all.

Now, through belief in Jesus and his perfect sacrifice, we are eligible for forgiveness of our sins. All we have to do is believe and ask for forgiveness. We no longer have to make the sacrifices ourselves because Jesus did it for us.

This does not mean that we should no longer try to follow the 10 commandments. We should because they are still our guide to righteous living. What it means is that we are no longer judged by our ability to keep all the laws, which of course we cannot do. We all fail to live up to God's standard. But when we fail, we have but to ask (pray) for forgiveness and God is faithful and just to forgive our sin and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. (1 John 1:9)

When we stand before God, Jesus will be there to say "Father, I know him. He believes in me, let him pass into heaven." And more blessed words will you never hear.

 

[holo]

When Jesus came, he did not abolish the law, but rather fulfilled it.

Paul said Jesus did abolish the law.

This does not mean that we should no longer try to follow the 10 commandments. We should because they are still our guide to righteous living.

The Law can't do nearly as good a job as the Spirit. I don't need to be told I shouldn't steal or that I should love my neighbour. It comes naturally when Jesus is in me. The problem is we don't realise Jesus is already in us when we focus on the law. The law has nothing to do with us, it belongs to the physical world, not the spiritual.

Woah, is that true? We aren't even supposed to try not to sin?

Yes, it's true. Our efforts are like straws ready to be burned, like filthy rags. You may fight in your own power, win a few battles and thus think you'll have something to brag about. But you'll find that if you give up trying to make it on your own, God will do a much better job. A perfect job, in fact.

HE sets the table before us.
HE started it.
HE will end it.
HE has finished it.
HE will guide us.
It's all in HIM HIM HIM HIM HIM. You don't have to do a thing, even the works we do, He has already prepared for us. We love because He loved us first. We live because He gave us life.

 

[bloodofthelamb12]

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

1 John 2:2 "And he is the propitiation* for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world."
*atoning sacrifice

The world is full of sinners; myself included. We sin against eachother and against God. But so great is God's affection for each one of us, that He has allowed His only begotten Son to perish in our place. God allowed His Son to be stricken with all the afflictions that we deserve, so that through the death of His righteous Son, Jesus, the debt of sin created through unrighteous Adam might be repaid, and men be delivered through faith in the gift of His sacrifice. However, Christ was also raised from the grave on the third day, that through faith in His resurrection we might not only be credited His death, but share in His life as well.

While those who follow Christ need not fear the fire of hell, those who truly believe are motivated to act in a righteous manner by the love of Christ which dwells within them. Do not be deceived and think that you may believe in Christ and continue in unrighteous behavior without being miserable, for as John said, "Hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him. For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things." (1 John 3:19-20) If our conscience does not condemn our sins, we have no claim to Christ. But if it does, the power of the Holy Spirit and the loving-kindness of Jesus our Savior shall compel us to new works of righteousness in obedience to the commandment given us by Christ, that, "This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you." (John 15:12) and complimenting that command, that, "Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you." (John 15:14)

God bless you all,
Caleb

 

[bloodofthelamb12]

And Holo's post has just seriously disturbed me; the sum of the Law and the Prophets is found in a single word; love. "Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." (Matthew 22:37-40) To say that we are to disregard the Law is to disregard the very Word of God, and gain His wrath! For "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;" (Hebrews 1:1-2)

"Jesus said to His disciples, 'It is inevitable that causes of stumbling should come; but alas for him through whom they come! It would be well for him if, with a millstone round his neck, he were lying at the bottom of the sea, rather than that he should cause even one of these little ones to fall.'" (Luke 17:1-2) Though Gentiles are not obligated to wholly subject themselves to the Law, we are to obey the words of our King, are we not?

We are bound by the greatest of all commandments, though not by a promise of condemnation; rather, we obey because of the presence of love for Christ in our hearts. While sin and stumblings are inevitable in a Christian's life, they are still to be combatted. Fires are inevitable in a big city; still, they should be allowed to blaze out of control. If we ignore our sins and failures, we shall become festering sores on the body of Christ, offending our fellow men and turning them from the glory of God, bearing no fruit and like the fig tree, withering at the Master's command. Love God with all your being, and your neighbor as you would have others love you. For these are the commands of Christ, and if you would have yourself counted as His friend in the day of judgment, you will do what He asks because you love Him.

Do not count amongst those who were of the Circumcision, blindly espousing strict obedience to Judaic law as vital to salvation; no, such foolishness is not of God, but of the devil. I intend to speak against a teaching which is far to prone to the entry of immorality and hedonistic behavior. We are called to strive toward obedience of Christ's commands by our love for Him, plain and simple. We cannot achieve it perfectly, but we are still to race toward it, as was His will.

May God bless you all,
Caleb

 

[holo]

While those who follow Christ need not fear the fire of hell, those who truly believe are motivated to act in a righteous manner by the love of Christ which dwells within them. Do not be deceived and think that you may believe in Christ and continue in unrighteous behavior without being miserable

We don't disagree there. All I'm saying is that it should be God's love in us that does the job, not our efforts to live according to the ten commandments or any other part of the old law. If I love my neighbour, what use could I possibly have for a commandment that says I'm not supposed to steal from him? That commandment only hinders me from stealing by prohibiting it. Love hinders me from stealing because I care about my neighbour. I am righteous, so the law isn't for me. Obviously, I stumble now and then, quite often in fact, but it's the Spirit that tells me how to live, not the law. I couldn't do any of the good things I do without the Spirit in me.

On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." (Matthew 22:37-40) To say that we are to disregard the Law is to disregard the very Word of God

I'm not disregarding the word of God, I'm only discerning what applies to me and what doesn't. I may learn from anything in the bible. But when God told the Jews not to eat swine, that doesn't necessarily apply to me. When Job's friends says something, I don't automatically consider it "the word of God" - it was their words (and God set them straight). When Paul said "drink a little wine for your stomach" I don't conclude he was talking to me personally.

"On these hang the all the law..." Exactly. I would rather hang on the commandments that the rest of the law hangs from. Why cling to a law when I can cling to the lawgiver?

While sin and stumblings are inevitable in a Christian's life, they are still to be combatted.

Yes, but by the living Spirit, not the dead letter of the law. The law can never give you the power to overcome sin or anything else.

How come I could never beat my drug addiction or my porn habit or anger when I kept looking at the law? The law is good. It told me not to do it. But it's just like Paul said - the law makes sin ABOUND. When I finally gave up even trying, whooosh went the addictions and anger and fear and all. I used to try living according to commandments, and I only failed. Not one victory. I fought sin as hard as I could, and I only got tired and weak. The law became a curse to me. Jesus, on the other hand, set me free from that slavery and continually fulfills God's requirements in me through filling me with love.

That love says nothing about the food I eat or the clothes I wear or what days I rest on. It is only concerned with doing good to people.