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Jesus Catches some Sadducees’ Fast One about The Resurrection of the Just

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The following incident, told in two parts of Luke, notwithstanding Matthew, illustrate the importance of knowing the facts before asking your questions. Many of the high-level Jews have tried to discredit Jesus’ teachings by attempting to show that Jesus is ignorant in matters of the Old Testament. They effectively gambled on a bluff they thought Jesus had, and they ended up losing their hand in the process. Game, set, match as the Jews who heard Jesus’ teachings, weren’t convinced that Jesus wasn’t who he said he was as those Jews tried to portray him as such.

It starts out in Luke 14:12–14 in which Jesus advises a man who invited him to a banquet in Luke 14:12–14 that when he gives a feast he should “invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, the blind” who cannot repay him. Jesus says that if the man does this he “will be repaid at the resurrection of the just.”

Later on, in Luke 20:27–40, the high-level Jews, namely the Sadducees, who deny there’s such a thing as a resurrection, asks Jesus a question. The question focuses on Deuteronomy 25:5 in which Moses says, “If brothers dwell together, and one of them dies and has no son, the wife of the dead man shall not be married outside the family to a stranger. Her husband’s brother shall go in to her and take her as his wife and perform the duty of a husband’s brother to her.”

Hoping to stump Jesus and make him bluster, they ask him what if the husband dies and he has seven brothers who are each obligated to take on the duty of the husband when the one before each of them dies; which brother would such a resurrection of the just apply to? As an aside, the question seems to presuppose that under the circumstances only one of the brothers who take on the duties of the ‘dead’ husband would be considered just for purposes of the resurrection. But as we may see, such a question is as ridiculous as asking if a plane that takes off from one place and crashes into another, where would the survivors be buried. Of course, you don’t bury those who just survived! With that thought in mind...

The answer Jesus gives totally disavows the question as he says among Verses 34-38, , “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage, but those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and to the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage, for they cannot die anymore, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.” In other words, if the brothers are at the point of resurrection, they’re passed the point of being in position to marry the widow. To marry the widow in this situation is a non-sequitar; only the “survivors” can marry the widow. Conversely, the inference may be that whoever marries the widow has a long way to go before they are considered for resurrection. Alternatively, perhaps, to think about what might take place upon resurrection is as gainful as trying to predict the future. Only God knows what the future will bring.

In addition, Jesus raises the point in Luke 20:37-38 that as God identifies himself (in Exodus 3:15) as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, God is God of the living, not of the dead. Jesus seems to be saying to the Sadducees here, ‘Why bother with what happens when you’re dead? Your judgement is on what you’ve done while you were alive on earth.’
 
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The Sadducees quote Tobit but fail to mention the woman married successfully the 8th time. Jesus quotes 1 Enoch (not 2 or 3 which are garbage written after 70 AD), and calls it scripture so Jesus believed 1 Enoch was written by Enoch 7th from Adam pre flood like it claims, and I do too.

1 Enoch 15
But you originally existed as spirits, living forever,
and not dying for all the generations of eternity;
7 therefore I did not make women among you.’
The spirits of heaven, in heaven is their dwelling;

He could of been calling Tobit scripture too as they stuffed up the details of that so were ignorant of that too.
 
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The Sadducees quote Tobit but fail to mention the woman married successfully the 8th time. Jesus quotes 1 Enoch (not 2 or 3 which are garbage written after 70 AD), and calls it scripture so Jesus believed 1 Enoch was written by Enoch 7th from Adam pre flood like it claims, and I do too.

1 Enoch 15
But you originally existed as spirits, living forever,
and not dying for all the generations of eternity;
7 therefore I did not make women among you.’
The spirits of heaven, in heaven is their dwelling;

He could of been calling Tobit scripture too as they stuffed up the details of that so were ignorant of that too.
The answer Jesus gave was this:

“And Jesus answered and said to them, "The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. "But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; "nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. "But even Moses showed in the burning bush passage that the dead are raised, when he called the Lord ‘the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’ "For He is not the God of the dead but of the living, for all live to Him."” (Lu 20:34-38 NKJV)

I don't see Him quoting 1 Enoch 15, and the verses you quote from that book don't resemble what Jesus said. He said nothing about them originally being spirits, or about God not making women among the Sadducees. I don't seem anywhere where Jesus calls 1 Enoch Scripture, either.
 
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In the Math 22 version of the story he calls the Sadducees ignorant of the scriptures then quotes 1 Enoch so he was calling 1 Enoch scripture. Yes the verse in 1 Enoch says angels in heaven don't get married as there was no women among them . If you don't believe Jesus please don't waste my time responding unless you can show other scripture that says angels in heaven don't marry.
 
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In the Math 22 version of the story he calls the Sadducees ignorant of the scriptures then quotes 1 Enoch so he was calling 1 Enoch scripture. Yes the verse in 1 Enoch says angels in heaven don't get married as there was no women among them . If you don't believe Jesus please don't waste my time responding unless you can show other scripture that says angels in heaven don't marry.
But as I have said, His words do not quote 1 Enoch. He did not call 1 Enoch Scripture. He does say concerning those who inherit eternal life: "nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels." But He doesn't say, "the angels don't get married because there are no women among them." Elsewhere in the bible, we are told that angels are spiritual beings:

“And of the angels He says: "Who makes His angels spirits And His ministers a flame of fire."” (Heb 1:7 NKJV)

Marriage is for men and women, not spirits:

“Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.” (Ge 2:24 NKJV)

I assure you that Jesus is my Saviour, and I do believe Him.
 
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He quoted something that was written down at his time, and calls it God breathed aka scripture. It is 1 Enoch. You refuse to believe Jesus.
That Hebrews verse does not say angels do not get married.
That Genesis verse has nothing to do with angels.
Please please stop wasting my time you have nothing to add to the conversation.
 
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He quoted something that was written down at his time, and calls it God breathed aka scripture. It is 1 Enoch. You refuse to believe Jesus.
That Hebrews verse does not say angels do not get married.
That Genesis verse has nothing to do with angels.
Please please stop wasting my time you have nothing to add to the conversation.
In that case, please tell me which words from 1 Enoch Jesus quoted. Here are the words from 1 Enoch 15 which you quote earlier:

But you originally existed as spirits, living forever,
and not dying for all the generations of eternity;
7 therefore I did not make women among you.’
The spirits of heaven, in heaven is their dwelling;

Here is what Jesus said:

“And Jesus answered and said to them, "The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage. "But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; "nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. "But even Moses showed in the burning bush passage that the dead are raised, when he called the Lord ‘the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’ "For He is not the God of the dead but of the living, for all live to Him."” (Lu 20:34-38 NKJV)

Where do the words of Jesus match the words of 1 Enoch?

I do not refuse to believe Jesus. I believe those words of His that are found in Luke 20:34-38.

Regarding the Genesis verse, I didn't claim it was to do with angels. It is the first mention of marriage in the bible. Marriage in the bible is between two human beings.

I am sorry you think my posts are a waste of time, but there is no need to be rude.
 
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You already constantly kept denying this on another post of mine which I deleted. You provide no alternative whatsoever. You are ignorant of the scriptures like the Sadducees.

Mathew 22
29 Jesus replied, “You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. 30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. 31 But about the resurrection of the dead—have you not read what God said to you, 32 ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’[b]? He is not the God of the dead but of the living.”

1 Enoch 15
But you originally existed as spirits, living forever,
and not dying for all the generations of eternity;
7 therefore I did not make women among you.’
The spirits of heaven, in heaven is their dwelling;

We (well me, Jesus, Jude, and other Christians that believe Enoch/ Jesus- so you are excluded) only know angels in heaven don't get married due to 1 Enoch- there is no other scripture that says it that already existed at Jesus time.

This is very basic teachings. I am not going to respond anymore unless you provide some other scripture from the OT that says it- which you can not.
 
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