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Ok so by your answers you deny the Son and have not the Father(1) Yes
(2) No
(3) No
(4) Yes
Jesus is in fact God's first Son of many sons.?
You do the typical job of throwing out so much at once
number 5(1) Yes
(2) No
(3) No
(4) Yes
Thank God you are not my judge.Ok so by your answers you deny the Son and have not the Father
this is a serous error
read Col 1 that shows the Son always existed and is before all things. Read Hebrews 1 where God calls the Son God. Read John 17:5 which shows the Son of God existed with (beside or near) the father before the world was. Read John where Jesus often speaks of coming down from above, sent from heaven by the father etc.
You know he is Christ to me. He is God's chosen one. Anointed of his Father to bring salvation to me and to all who would receive him.number 5
5. Is Jesus Christ in you? Yes or no?
Thank God you are not my judge.
I do not deny the Son. I let the Son be a Son.
I say you negate the Son by calling him God Almighty in place of his Father
Jesus Christ is the Son of God , God manifest in the flesh, the Word made flesh.You know he is Christ to me. He is God's chosen one. Anointed of his Father to bring salvation to me and to all who would receive him.
Jesus is "the grace of God" to us. Titus 2:11
I don’t call Him God almighty in place of the Father. He is one with the Father and the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost, these three are oneI say you negate the Son by calling him God Almighty in place of his Father
Is Jesus Christ in you yes or no?You know he is Christ to me. He is God's chosen one. Anointed of his Father to bring salvation to me and to all who would receive him.
Jesus is "the grace of God" to us. Titus 2:11
I only hope the best for you. That you would be free from false doctrine and certain groups. That you would come to know the Son of God and the Father and the Holy Ghost and be immersed into the name (character, power, life and authority) of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.Thank God you are not my judge.
I do not deny the Son. I let the Son be a Son.
I say you negate the Son by calling him God Almighty in place of his Father.
But that is your business. I won't presume to judge you for it other than to say that the false doctrine of a Trinity has messed up many minds.
Thank you for your well intended hope.I only hope the best for you. That you would be free from false doctrine and certain groups. That you would come to know the Son of God and the Father and the Holy Ghost and be immersed into the name (character, power, life and authority) of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
When I stand firm in sound doctrine i am bold and sober and grave. But the people I talk to and try to help I reach out in love and grace. I talk to many who are my friends but they have heretical doctrine. It is sad because i fear for them, but i love them and care for their souls.Thank you for your well intended hope.
Likewise.
I believe you are speaking the truth about that.When I stand firm in sound doctrine i am bold and sober and grave. But the people I talk to and try to help I reach out in love and grace. I talk to many who are my friends but they have heretical doctrine. It is sad because i fear for them, but i love them and care for their souls.
Article on Michael the Archangel said:From early Christian writings until now there have been many who understood Michael to be the archangel who became Jesus on earth. (I believe JWs have identified him as such from the beginning. I find this understanding in my copy of the June, 1883 Zion’s Watch Tower.) Back in the early 1800's, Bible scholar Joseph Benson stated that the description of Michael as found in the Bible "manifestly points out the Messiah."
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Nineteenth-century Lutheran E. W. Hengstenberg agreed that "Michael is no other than Christ."
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Similarly, theologian J. P. Lange, when commenting on Revelation 12:7, wrote: "We take it that Michael . . . is, from the outset, Christ in warlike array against Satan."
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Clarke’s Commentary (Adam Clarke)
Jude :9
“Let it be observed that the word archangel is never found in the plural number in the sacred writings. There can be properly only one archangel, one chief or head of all the angelic host. Nor is the word devil, as applied to the great enemy of mankind, ever found in the plural; there can be but one monarch of all fallen spirits. Michael is this archangel, and head of all the angelic orders; the devil, great dragon, or Satan, is head of all the diabolic orders. When these two hosts are opposed to each other they are said to act under these two chiefs, as leaders; hence in Revelation 12:7, it is said: MICHAEL and his angels fought against the DRAGON and his angels.* The word Michael* lakym, seems to be compounded of* ym mi, who,* k ke, like, and la El, God; he who is like God; hence by this personage, in the Apocalypse, many understand the Lord Jesus.”
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The 1599 Geneva Study Bible: Revelation “12:7 And there was war in heaven: *Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,"
* note: “Christ is the Prince of angels and head of the Church, who bears that iron rod….”
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John Gill, A Body of Doctrinal Divinity, Book 7 Chapter 5:
“1b2. Another prophecy in Daniel 12:1-3 respects the second and personal coming of Christ; for he is meant by Michael, who is "as God", as his name signifies, equal to him; the ‘great prince,’ the prince of the kings of the earth, and the head of all principalities and powers.”
John Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible.
Daniel 12:1 “Ver. 1. And at that time shall Michael stand up,.... The Archangel, who has all the angels of heaven under him, and at his command, the Son of God, our Lord Jesus Christ;”
And even trinitarian Bible scholar W. E. Vine (“recognized as one of the world’s foremost [Bible] Greek scholars”) tells us that this “voice of the archangel” (1 Thess. 4:16) is apparently “the voice of the Lord Jesus Christ”! - p. 64, An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words.
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The International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia:
“The earlier Protestant scholars usually identified Michael with the preincarnate Christ, finding support for their view, not only in the juxtaposition of the “child” and the archangel in Rev. 12, but also in the attributes ascribed to him in Daniel” – vol. 3, p. 2048, Eerdmans Publishing, 1984 printing.
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"Michael ... in Dan. 10:13,21; 12:1, is described as having a special charge of the Jewish nation, and in Rev. 12:7-9 as the leader of the angelic army. So exalted are the position and offices ascribed to Michael, that many think the Messiah is meant." -- International Bible Dictionary -- Illustrated (Plainfield, NJ, Logos International, 1977), p. 35.
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Fairbairn’s Imperial Standard Bible Encyclopedia, Patrick Fairbairn, D.D., editor, Grand Rapids, Zondervan Publishing, 1957, Vol. IV, pp. 238, 239; Revised 1997, Vol. Seven, p. 800. (originally published as The Imperial Bible Dictionary, 1891), states this: “MI’CHAEL … there have in general been*two rival opinions, either that he is the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, or that he is one of the so-called seven archangels. We hold the former opinion”
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Protestant Reformer John Calvin said regarding "Michael" in its occurrence at Daniel 12 - "I embrace the opinion of those who refer this to the person of Christ, because it suits the subject best to represent him as standing forward for the defense of his elect people." - J. Calvin, Commentaries On The Book Of The Prophet Daniel, trans. T. Myers (Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1979), vol. 2, p. 369.
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John Wesley:
Chapter XII
A promise of deliverance, and of a joyful resurrection, ver. 1 - 4. A conference concerning the time of these events, ver. 5 - 7. An answer to Daniel's enquiry, ver. 8 - 13. For the children - The meaning seems to be, as after the death of Antiochus the Jews had some deliverance, so there will be yet a greater deliverance to the people of God, when Michael your prince, the Messiah shall appear for your salvation. A time of trouble - A the siege of Jerusalem, before the final judgment. The phrase at that time, probably includes all the time of Christ, from his first, to his last coming.
Wesley on Daniel 10:21 "Michael - Christ alone is the protector of his church, when all the princes of the earth desert or oppose it."
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Jonathan Edwards (1703-1758):
Works of Jonathan Edwards, Vol. 2, Ch. 1, “Angels”:
“II. When Lucifer rebelled and set up himself as a head in opposition to God and Christ, and drew away a great number of the angels after him, Christ, the Son of God, manifested himself as an opposite head, and appeared graciously to dissuade and restrain by his grace the elect angels from hearkening to Lucifer’s temptation, so that they were upheld and preserved from eternal destruction at this time of great danger by the free and sovereign distinguishing grace of Christ.
Herein Christ was the Saviour of the elect angels, for though he did not save them as he did elect men from the ruin they had already deserved, and were condemned to, and the miserable state they were already in, yet he saved them from eternal destruction they were in great danger of, and otherwise would have fallen into with the other angels. The elect angels joined with him, the glorious Michael, as their captain, while the other angels hearkened to Lucifer and joined with him, and then was that literally true that was fulfilled afterwards figuratively. Rev. xii. ‘When there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not; neither was there place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.’ ”
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William L. Alexander, Doctor of Divinity, stated:
There seems good reason for regarding Michael as the Messiah. Such was the opinion of the best among the ancient Jews.... With this all the Bible representations of Michael agree. He appears as the Great Prince who standeth for Israel (Dan. xii. I), and he is called "the Prince of Israel" (Dan. x. 21)--William L. Alexander, ed., A Cyclopedia Of Biblical Literature, originally edited by John Kitto, 3d ed. (Edinburgh: A & C Black, 1886). vol. 3, p. 158.
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"The two passages in the New Testament, in which Michael is mentioned, serve to confirm the result already arrived at. That the Michael referred to in Rev. xii. 7 is no other than the Logos, [the Word - the Son of God] has already been proved in my commentary upon that passage." — Ernst Wilhelm Hengstenberg, Christology of the Old Testament and a Commentary on the Messianic Predictions, 1836-9, Vol. IV, pp. 304-5 (in the T. & T. Clark publication; p. 269 in the Kregel publication).
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Brown's Dictionary of the Bible on the words 'Michael' and 'Angel' says, that both these words do sometimes refer to Christ; and also affirms that Christ is the Archangel.
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Wood's Spiritual Dictionary teaches nearly, if not exactly, the same on this subject that Brown's does. The former was a Calvinist, the latter a Methodist.
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Guyse in his Paraphrase on the New Testament, on Rev. xii. 7, acknowledges that many good expositors think that Christ is signified by Michael; and also gives it as his opinion.
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Thomas Scott, in his notes on the Bible, says the Angel that appeared to Hagar when she fled from her mistress, one of the three Angels that appeared to Abraham in the plains of Mamre, the Angel that appeared to Moses in the bush, and the Angel that spoke to the Jews at Bochim, was Jesus Christ: and also asserts that Michael the Archangel is Jesus Christ. See Gen. xvi. 9, 10. Chap. xviii throughout. Exod. iii. 2-7. Judg. ii. 1-5, Dan x. 13, 21. Chap. xii. 1, Rev. xii. 7.
Michael is not JESUSAnd what point would that be? Yours? I have shown that Jesus is referred to as an angel in scripture and that the attributes of Michael are those of Christ and that Christ comes with the shout of the arch angel leading the heavenly host to earth. Accept it or not, that your prerogative. I don't believe it's salvational but an important understanding of Christ's character.
Can you be baptized into an angelYou do the typical job of throwing out so much at once that not only do you not really see what the Scriptures have said but you make it difficult for anyone else to explain to you where you have went wrong.
It is like if I wanted to show you a defect on the second floor of your building plans, instead of focusing on the second floor you throw forward the plans of your entire house so that you can look everywhere but where I, as the one trying to help you, needs for you to look.
That is typical of how mistaken ideas entrap people so that they feel it unnecessary to home in on their errors.
First you have to admit that the word, "Christ", means "chosen one" similar to Messiah, meaning, "anointed one." God anoints the one he has chosen by his holy spirit, equipping his chosen one to do what God has chosen him to do. And so "Christ" is the Greek equivalent to the Hebrew "Messiah."
Now notice in the very first verse of Revelation how it starts out: "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him ..."
IOW's - the book of Revelation is the revealing by God of his chosen one who is Jesus. And this is speaking of the resurrected glorified Christ showing that now back in heaven Jesus is yet God's chosen one. God does not have to choose or anoint himself. God chose and anointed one who is a Son to him. Jesus is in fact God's first Son of many sons.
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