JESUS and the APOSTLES OBEYED GOD'S LAW and the SABBATH!

[Open Heart]

Your a funny one Open Heart , all that was provided you was God's Word, you provided none. What you really mean is that you reject God's Word as the scriptures provided was God's WORD not mine. I will leave that between you and God.

You provided verses that didn't prove your claim. Utterly worthless to your position.

I ALLUDED to verses. If you were familiar with scripture, you would have recognized them.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You provided verses that didn't prove your claim. Utterly worthless to your position.

Now Open Heart, that is not true at all. You have been provided with scripure and you have provided nothing except to say that you reject God's WORD. Here let me post a complete study on the topic with more scripture maybe this may help to show that God's ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD.

Simply stating your words over God's WORD does not make God's Word dissappear. This times let's look at the ORIGIN of where ISRAEL comes from in the OLD TESTAMENT SCRIPTURE through to who GOD's WORD says ISRAEL are in the NEW TESTAMENT under the NEW COVENANT...

WHO IS GOD’S ISRAEL IN THE NEW COVENANT PART 1

ORIGIN OF ISRAEL AND THE TWELVE TRIBES.

The promise of God to Abraham that his descendance would be as the sand of the sea or start of heaven…

Genesis 22:15-18 [15], And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time, [16], And said, By myself have I sworn, says the LORD, for because you have done this thing, and have not withheld your son, your only son: [17], That in blessing I will bless you, and in multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies; [18], And in your descendants shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because you have obeyed my voice.

Jacob a descendant of Abraham being 2nd born received the birth right from Esau...

GENESIS 25:31 [31], And Jacob said, Sell me this day your birthright. [32], And Esau said, Behold, I am at the point of death: and what profit shall this birthright be to me? [33], And Jacob said, swear to me this day; and he swore unto him: and he sold his birthright unto Jacob. [34], Then Jacob gave Esau bread and pottage of lentils; and he did eat and drink, and rose up, and went his way: thus, Esau despised his birthright.

God’s promise to Abraham was to be fulfilled through Abrahams descendant Jacob...

GENESIS 32:11-12 [11], Deliver me, I pray you, from the hand of my brother, from the hand of Esau: for I fear him, lest he come and smite me, and the mother with the children. [12], And you said, I will surely do you good, and make your descendants as the sand of the sea, which cannot be numbered for multitude.

God changes Jacobs name to ISRAEL...

GENESIS 32:24-28 [24], And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day. [25], And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him. [26], And he said, let me go, for the day breaks. And he said, I will not let you go, except you bless me. [27], And he said unto him, what is your name? And he said, Jacob. [28], And he said, Your name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince have you power with God and with men, and have prevailed.

The name "Israel" is only a name given by God himself to represent his people. The origin of the name "Israel" come from Genesis 32:28 where Jacob wrestled with the Angel and prevailed ...for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. Its meaning is his posterity will rule as God. Jacob had 12 sons representing the 12 tribes of Israel.

ISRAEL (God’s new name given to Jacob) had 12 sons which make up the 12 tribes of ISRAEL...

GENESIS 35:22-26 [22], ... Now the sons of Jacob were twelve: [23], The sons of Leah; Reuben, Jacob's firstborn, and Simeon, and Levi, and Judah, and Issachar, and Zebulun: [24], The sons of Rachel; Joseph, and Benjamin: [25], And the sons of Bilhah, Rachel's handmaid; Dan, and Naphtali: [26], And the sons of Zilpah, Leah's handmaid; Gad, and Asher: these are the sons of Jacob, who were born to him in Paddanaram.

God’s promise of the NEW COVENANT is to ISRAEL…

JEREMIAH 31:31-34 [31], Behold, the days come, says the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: [32], Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; my covenant which they broke, although I was a husband unto them, says the LORD: [33], But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, says the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. [34], And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

144, 000 Come out of the 12 tribes of ISRAEL…

REVELATION 7:3-8 [3], Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads. [4], And I heard the number of them who were sealed: and there were sealed a hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. [5], Of the tribe of Judah were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. [6], Of the tribe of Asher were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Naphtali were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasseh were sealed twelve thousand. [7], Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. [8], Of the tribe of Zebulun were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

God’s people are called ISRAEL in both the OLD AND NEW COVENANT and the END OF TIME. ISRAEL is a name that God gives to all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God’s WORD. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT.

continued...

 

[LoveGodsWord]

WHO IS GOD’S ISRAEL IN THE NEW COVENANT PART 2

OLD TESTAMENT LEADING TO ISRAEL UNDER THE NEW COVENANT

There is no such thing as Jew or Greek anymore. All who believe and follow God's Word are one in Christ. Israel in the OLD COVENANT were those from the seed of Abraham. In the NEW COVENANT, if you are in Christ then you are Abrahams seed and heirs according to the promise...

EPHESIANS 2:11-13 [11], Why remember, that you being in TIME PAST Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; [12], That AT THAT TIME [in the Past] YOU WERE WITHOUT CHRIST, BEING ALIENS FROM THE COMMONWEALTH OF ISRAEL, STRANGERS FROM THE COVENANT OF PROMISE, HAVING NO HOPE, AND WITHOUT GOD IN THE WORLD: [13], BUT NOW IN CHRIST JESUS, YOU WHO WERE FAR OFF ARE MADE NEAR BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST.

GALATIANS 3:28-29 [28], THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS [29], and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

God's true ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT are not by name only but all those in Christ. Those of the FLESH (sinful human nature) are not Abrahams seed but those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God in Christ are God's ISRAEL...

ROMANS 9:6-8 [6], FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: [7], NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> [8], That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED.

God's ISRAEL are all those in CHRIST that have been given a NEW HEART according to the NEW COVENANT promise...

ROMANS 2:28-29 [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

In the NEW COVENANT all those in Christ are are God's ISRAEL...

COLOSSIANS 3:11 [11], WHERE THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: BUT CHRIST IS ALL IN ALL.

ROMANS 10:11-13 [11], For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. [12], FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEW OR GREEK: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. [13], FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.

The New Covenant is for God's Israel...

EZEKIEL 36:26-27 [26], A NEW HEART WILL I GIVE YOU, AND A NEW SPIRIT WILL I PUT WITHIN YOU; AND I WILL TAKE AWAY THE STONY HEART OUT OF YOUR FLESH, AND GIVE YOU A HEART OF FLESH. [27], AND I WILL PUT MY SPIRIT WITHIN YOU, AND CAUSE YOU TO WALK IN MY STATUTES AND YOU SHALL KEEP MY JUDGEMENTS AND DO THEM.

and again...

JEREMIAH 31:33-34 [33], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS,AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. [34], And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Paul proclaims it here...

HEBREWS 8:10-12 [10], BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: [11], And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. [12], For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

The NEW COVENANT is for GOD'S ISRAEL which represent those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God’s WORD.

If you are not part of GOD'S ISRAEL then you are not a part of the NEW COVENANT (Hebrews 8:10-12).

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God's ISRAEL is the name given by God to all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. GENTILES are now grafted in. If you are not a part of the God's ISRAEL then you have no part in the NEW COVENANT.

GENTILES ARE NOW GRAFTED IN TO GOD'S ISRAEL

EPHESIANS 2:11-13 [11], Why remember, that you being in TIME PAST Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; [12], That AT THAT TIME [in the Past] YOU WERE WITHOUT CHRIST, BEING ALIENS FROM THE COMMONWEALTH OF ISRAEL, STRANGERS FROM THE COVENANT OF PROMISE, HAVING NO HOPE, AND WITHOUT GOD IN THE WORLD: [13], BUT NOW IN CHRIST JESUS, YOU WHO WERE FAR OFF ARE MADE NEAR BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST.

GALATIANS 3:28-29 [28], THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS [29], and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

ROMANS 11:16-27
[16], For if the firstfruit are holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root is holy, so are the branches.

The root represents Christ...

[17], And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them partake of the root and fatness of the olive tree.

The Jewish and the Gentile believers are the branches grafted onto the root (Christ)...

[18], Boast not against the branches. But if you boast, you bear not the root, but the root you.
[19], You will say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
[20], Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Be not arrogant, but fear:

God's ISRAEL are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD...

[21], For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also not spare you.
[22], Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in his goodness: otherwise you also shall be cut off.
[23], And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
[24], For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, who are the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
[25], For I would not, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.
[26], And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

The NEW COVENANT is for both Jews and Greek, bond and free, all those who are in Christ. All in Christ are the seed of Abraham and heirs according to the promise.

[27], For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Gentiles are now grafted in to God's ISRAEL. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT.

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ISRAEL IS NOT THOSE IN THE FLESH

ROMANS 9:6-8 [6], FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: [7], NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> [8], That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED.

GALATIANS 3:28-29 [28], THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS [29], and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

ROMANS 2:28-29 [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Now listen to Jesus talking to the Jews...

JOHN 8:31-39
[31], Then said Jesus to those Jews who believed on him, If you continue in my word, then are you my disciples indeed;
[32], And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
[33], They answered him, We are Abraham's descendants, and were never in bondage to any man: how say you, You shall be made free?
[34], Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever commits sin is the servant of sin.
[35], And the servant abides not in the house forever: but the Son abides ever.
[36], If the Son therefore shall make you free, you shall be free indeed.
[37], I know that you are Abraham's descendant; but you seek to kill me, because my word has no place in you.
[38], I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and you do that which you have seen with your father.
[39], They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus said unto them, If you were Abraham's children, you would do the works of Abraham.

Jesus is saying the same thing as Paul in ROMANS 9:6-8 above. God's ISRAEL under the NEW COVENANT is not being a decendent of Abraham it is CONTINUING in God's WORD by BELIEVING and FOLLOWING it.

The children of the promise are counted for the seed (ROMANS 9:8) ...

HEBREWS 8:10-12 [10], For this is the covenant that I will make with the HOUSE OF ISRAEL after those days, says the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:[11], And they shall not teach every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.[12], For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

continuing this same line of thinking from Jesus and Paul earlier...

ROMANS 2:28-29 [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

God's WORD is very clear GENTILES are now grafted in to God's ISRAEL. God's WORD says that God's ISRAEL are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no place in the NEW COVENANT promise. Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings of men that break the commandments of God.

Hope this helps.

 

[Open Heart]

Now Open Heart, that is not true at all. You have been provided with scripure and you have provided nothing except to say that you reject God's WORD.

This is just balogne. I never said I reject God's word. I said I reject you quoting scriptures that don't support your point. See the difference. In fact, because your arguments are so poor, I don't even bother reading them anymore.

If you want people to take you seriously, you have to learn to reason well. This includes making sure that the scriptures you quote actually support your argument, that they are about the right topic, and that you are not quoting them out of context.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

This is just balogne. I never said I reject God's word. I said I reject you quoting scriptures that don't support your point. See the difference. In fact, because your arguments are so poor, I don't even bother reading them anymore.

If you want people to take you seriously, you have to learn to reason well. This includes making sure that the scriptures you quote actually support your argument, that they are about the right topic, and that you are not quoting them out of context.

Sorry Open Heart,

Now your only making up things because you cannot prove your position with God's WORD. All the scriptures posted support what was being discussed on the topic of who God's ISRAEL are in the NEW COVENANT.

All you have provided in return is your own Word over God's WORD saying you reject the scriptures posted while in return provide no scripture except your own words. Only scripture above was posted while you said you reject them. There is a lot of scripture that disagrees with you in post # 902 and post # 903 linked click me.

We will have to agree to disagree my friend. You are free to believe and do as you wish. Only God's WORD it true however and we should BELIEVE God's WORD over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

When you have God's WORD to share let me know but do not ignore it because it disagrees with you.

May God help you as you seek him through his Word.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Just going to bump this as the OP might be of help here.

 

[Copperhead]

I like to keep things simple. When some want to say what we MUST do, especially when it comes to commandments, I refer to Micah....

Micah 6:8 (NKJV) He has shown you, O man, what is good;
And what does the Lord require of you
But to do justly,
To love mercy,
And to walk humbly with your God

And Yeshua narrowed it down to two....

Matthew 22:37-40 (NKJV) Jesus said to him, “ ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.

And John (probably the closest disciple of Yeshua) helps us out a little also....

1 John 3:22-23 (NKJV) And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

Yeshua was absolutely correct.....

Matthew 11:29-30 (NKJV) Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.

But there are so many who just live to pile on the guilt trips on the brethren.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I like to keep things simple. When some want to say what we MUST do, especially when it comes to commandments, I refer to Micah....

Micah 6:8 (NKJV) He has shown you, O man, what is good;
And what does the Lord require of you
But to do justly,
To love mercy,
And to walk humbly with your God

And Yeshua narrowed it down to two....

Matthew 22:37-40 (NKJV) Jesus said to him, “ ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.

And John (probably the closest disciple of Yeshua) helps us out a little also....

1 John 3:22-23 (NKJV) And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

Yeshua was absolutely correct.....

Matthew 11:29-30 (NKJV) Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.

But there are so many who just live to pile on the guilt trips on the brethren.

Hello Copperhead, nice to see you.

Some qestions for discussion...

Is someone loving their neighbore if they commit adultery with their partner?
Are you loving your neighbore if you steal from them?
Are you loving your neighbore if you lie of kill them?
Do you love God if you worship idols or use God's name in vain?

You get the point we can ask the same question to all the ten commandments which are our duty of LOVE to GOD [first four] and LOVE to mankind [next six].

Why does Jesus say "ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS [LOVE to GOD and LOVE to man] HANG ALL THE LAW and the prophets?

If OBEDIENCE by faith in God's WORD is the very EXPERESSION of what LOVE is then can you separated LOVE from OBEDIENCE to God's ten Commandments?

Thanks for sharing.

 

[Copperhead]

Some qestions for discussion...

Is someone loving their neighbore if they commit adultery with their partner?
Are you loving your neighbore if you steal from them?
Are you loving your neighbore if you lie of kill them?
Do you love God if you worship idols or use God's name in vain?

I think I know what you are trying to get at, but I am not taking the bait.

When you love someone as Yeshua taught us, are you not seeking their best interest? How would any of those questions be answered in that light? And loving others should be more related to the "do under others as you would have them do unto you". So in what way would any of your questions pertain to the discussion other than to look ridiculous?

On the latter question you ask, while taking God's name in vain is typically viewed as swearing using His name, if one looks closely at the meaning of the Hebrew behind it, it is more closely related on how we represent or carry His name. Something you might want to consider before you ask such questions.

The point being, it isn't the Commandments that is the standard. Yeshua in the sermon on the mount showed us that He was raising the bar and setting a higher standard. It is the spirit of the Commandments, our relationship with Him and others and how we treat others that He was trying to get our focus on.

And as it pertains to Shabbat, our Shabbat rest is in Him (re-read Hebrews). That was the intent of the Torah. He stated that the entire Torah and the Prophets were of Him. While it may appear to be honoring Him by following the commandments by rote, it is the spirit of the Torah that He is the fulfillment of what the Torah was pointing us toward. It is human nature to want to make a religion out of everything, and that is what sets the Gospel apart.... it is about relationship not religion.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I think I know what you are trying to get at, but I am not taking the bait.

When you love someone as Yeshua taught us, are you not seeking their best interest? How would any of those questions be answered in that light? And loving others should be more related to the "do under others as you would have them do unto you". So in what way would any of your questions pertain to the discussion other than to look ridiculous?

On the latter question you ask, while taking God's name in vain is typically viewed as swearing using His name, if one looks closely at the meaning of the Hebrew behind it, it is more closely related on how we represent or carry His name. Something you might want to consider before you ask such questions.

The point being, it isn't the Commandments that is the standard. Yeshua in the sermon on the mount showed us that He was raising the bar and setting a higher standard. It is the spirit of the Commandments, our relationship with Him and others and how we treat others that He was trying to get our focus on.

And as it pertains to Shabbat, our Shabbat rest is in Him (re-read Hebrews). That was the intent of the Torah. He stated that the entire Torah and the Prophets were of Him. While it may appear to be honoring Him by following the commandments by rote, it is the spirit of the Torah that He is the fulfillment of what the Torah was pointing us toward. It is human nature to want to make a religion out of everything, and that is what sets the Gospel apart.... it is about relationship not religion.

I can understand why you did not want to answer the questions provided to you above. Those questions show that you cannot separate LOVE to GOD and MAN from the 10 Commandments. Let's look at the scriptures and be honest with ourselves.

Jesus says in MATTHEW 22...

MATTHEW 22:36-40
[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37], Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
[38], This is the first and great commandment.
[39], And the second is like to it, You shall love your neighbour as yourself.
[40], ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

NOTE: Jesus when asked this question from the Lawyer is quoting from Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18. Finishes by saying that on the two great commandments of LOVE hang all the law and the prophets.

What does v40 mean?

LUKE 10:25-28
[25], And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tested him, saying, Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
[26], He said unto him, what is written in the law? how read you?
[27], And he [the Lawyer] answering said, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbour as yourself.
[28], And he said unto him, you have answered right: this do, and you shall live.

NOTE: The lawyer knew what it means to love God and love his neighbore. How? Notice the question that the lawyer starts os by asking Jesus; "WHAT SHALL I DO TO INHERIT ETERNAL LIFE?". Now notice that the very same question is asked again and look how Jesus answers...

MATTHEW 19:16-19
[16], And, behold, one came and said to him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
[17], And he said to him, Why call you me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but IF YOU WILL ENTER INTO LIFE, KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS.
[18], He said to him, Which? Jesus said, YOU SHALL DO NO MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT LIE, [19], HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER; and you shall love your neighbour as yourself.
Honor your father and your mother: and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

NOTE: Notice in that the question from the rich young ruler is the very same question as asked by the lawyer "WHAT SHALL I DO TO INHERIT ETERNAL LIFE?" but both were answered by Jesus in a different way. When the Lawer asked the question he answered his own question by saying LOVE to GOD and LOVE to his neighbor (from Deuteronomy 6:5; Leviticus 19:18). Jesus said he answered correctly. When the rich yound ruler asked the same question Jesus answered by saying keep the 10 Commandments and starts out quoting them as his duty of LOVE to his neighbor.

Is this a contradiction of scripture? In no way the answer has already been given in MATTHEW 22:36-40. ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS (LOVE TO GOD and LOVE TO MAN) HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

When we LOVE GOD and our NEIGHBOUR it is expressed through our actions.

If we LOVE our neighbor...

* We will honor our parents (Exodus 20:12)
* We will not kill them (Exodus 20:13)
* We will not commit adultery with thier spouse (Exodus 20:14)
* We will not steal from them (Exodus 20:15)
* We will not lie to them (Exodus 20:16)
* We will not covet what they own (Exodus 20:17)

If we LOVE our God...

* We will not have other Gods (Exodus 20:3)
* We will not make idols of anything in life and worship them (Exodus 20:4-6)
* We will not take his name [follow] him in vain (Exodus 20:7)
* We will remember his Sabbath day and keep it holy (Exodus 20:8-11)

ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS [OF LOVE] HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

PAUL understood what JESUS was talking about...

ROMANS 13:8-10
[8], Owe no man anything, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law. [9], For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. [10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore, love is the fulfilling [DOING] of the law.

Notice what PAUL says here? LOVE is fulfilling [doing] God's Commandments. God's Commandments or duty towards your neighbor is summed up as you shall LOVE your neighbor as yourself v9. [On these two commandments hang ALL THE LAW and the prophets Matthew 22:40].

PAUL agrees with Jesus that if you LOVE you will fulfill God's LAW. What about JAMES?

JAMES 2:8-12
[8] If you fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, You shall love your neighbor as yourself, you do well: [9], But if you have respect to persons, you commit sin, and are convicted of the law as transgressors. [10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11], For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law. [12], So speak, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

James is using the second great commandment of LOVE which hangs all the commandments of our duty of love to our neighbour and quotes the commandments showing our duty towards our neighbor. This is why Jesus says “On these two commandments hang ALL THE LAW and the prophets” Matthew 22:40. and again..

JOHN 14:15 [15], IF YOU LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS.

You cannot separate LOVE from God’s LAW. Love is the FULFILLING of it and is demonstrated by OBEDIENCE to Gods’ LAW as our duty of LOVE to God and man. [“On these two commandments [of LOVE] hang ALL THE LAW and the prophets]

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CONCLUSION: It is very clear that JESUS, PAUL and JAMES are all in agreement that the two GREAT COMMANDMENTS of LOVE that JESUS quoted from Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18 were used and known in the OLD Testament scripture to sum up our duty of LOVE to God and man in the 10 Commandments.... God's LAW (Ten commandments) is not separated from LOVE it demonstrates it. You cannot have LOVE without fulfilling God's Ten Commandments. [On these two Commandments of LOVE hang all the LAW and the prophets].

You CANNOT separate God's 10 COMMANDMENTS from LOVE because the FULFILLING of God's 10 COMMANDMENTS are the very expression of what LOVE is. God is LOVE and whosoever LOVES is born of God.

 

[Copperhead]

I did answer those questions. You are so caught up in yourself that you did not see the answers I gave. That’s ok. The religious leaders during Yeshua’s time here had the same problem. I am very confident in whom I have placed my trust.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I did answer those questions. You are so caught up in yourself that you did not see the answers I gave. That’s ok. The religious leaders during Yeshua’s time here had the same problem. I am very confident in whom I have placed my trust.

No you avoided answering the questions posted earlier. You even say this in the very first sentance of the post you provided earlier. Anyhow it does not matter post # 910 linked click me shows very clearly through the scriptures that you cannot separate LOVE from OBEDIENCE to God's LAW by FAITH in God's WORD.
This pretty much undoes everything you have posted in post # 907 when you claim LOVE does away with OBEDIENCE to God's LAW. The scriptures in post # 910 linked click me show that OBEDIENCE is the very expression of what LOVE is.

May God help you as you seek him through his Word.

 

[Saint Steven]

WHAT DID JESUS AND THE APOSTLES TEACH ABOUT GOD’S LAW
(the scriptures below are no where near exhaustive)

Jesus taught the 10 commandments…..

1. Jesus kept God’s Law (10 commandments) and said the Law and the prophets would not pass away (Matt 5:17-18)
2. Jesus taught others to follow the 10 commandments (Mark 10:17-21)
3. Jesus taught that Love is the fulfilling (doing) of God’s Law (10 commandments Matt 22:36-40)
4. If we break God’s Law by following man-made traditions we are not following God (Matt 15:3-9)
5. Jesus says if we commit sin we are a servant of sin and he has come to free us from sin (John 8:32-36)
6. Jesus taught if you love God you will keep God’s Law and abide in His Love (John 14:15; 15:10
7. If anyone is breaking any of God’s commandments and teaching others to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven <least = lost> (Matt 5:19)
8. No one can obey God’s Law producing the fruit of obedience of ourselves and unless we abide in Jesus we can do nothing (John 15:4-10)

Paul affirms the Ten Commandments……

1. Paul teaches God's people keep the Sabbath Hebrews 4.
2. Paul tells gentiles that "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of GOD" 1 Cor 7:19
3. Paul tells gentiles "it is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God but the DOERS of the Law will be justified... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge all mankind" Rom 2:13-16
4. Paul asks that gentiles consider the doctrine of LAW "Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the Law of God" Rom 3:31
5. Paul tells ALL Christians that it is only the lost who will "not subject themselves to the Law of God neither indeed CAN they" Rom 8:6-8
6 Paul reaches all Christians under the NEW Covenant that God's LAW as known in Jer 31:31-33 is "written on the heart and mind" Heb 8:7-11
7. Paul tells all Christians that the OT text is to be used for Doctrine 2Tim 3:16
AND He never claims that "if I did not write it -- it is not scripture for us today" -- as one or two have imagined for us.
8. Paul tells all Christians that the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise" Eph 6:1-2 and is binding on all Christians.
9. God's Law (10 commandments) are holy, just and good (Rom 7:12)
10. God's Law gives us a knowledge of what sin is (Rom 3:20; 7:7)
11. The penalty of breaking God's Law without Jesus is death (Rom 6:23)
12. If we break God's Law we dishonor God (Rom 2:23)
13. If we sin we are "under the Law" and guilty before God (Rom 3:19)
14. We are saved by faith but our faith establishes the Law in us (Rom 3:31)
15. If we are saved by grace we should not break God's Law (Rom 6:1-7)
16. We should not break God's Law if we are under grace (Rom 6:15)
17. We are to serve the Law of God through the mind because that is where sin starts (Rom 6:17; 7:25; 8:4; 12:2)
18. It is God's Law that brings us to Jesus (Gal 3:24)
19. God's salvation frees us from sin so we can be obedient to God's Law and live a life of holiness (Rom 6:22)
20. We will be judged by God's Law and only those that are obedient will be justified because of their faith (Rom 2:4-13)
21. God's Law can only be obeyed through love and a changed heart which comes by faith in God's Word (Rom 2:21-29; 13:9-10; Heb 8:9-10)
22. If we break God's Law and are in unrepentant sin we will be lost and will received God's judgements (Heb 10:26-27)

John affirms the 10 commandments……

1. John says it is only by keeping God’s 10 commandments that we know that we know God (1 John 2:3)
2. If someone says that they know God and do not keep God’s 10 commandments they are lying and not telling the truth (1 John 2:4)
3. We should purify ourselves as Jesus is pure (1 John 3:3)
4. Sin is the breaking of God’s 10 commandments (1 John 3:4)
5. Whoever is abiding in Christ does not commit sin (1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10)
6. If you are in unrepentant sin you have not seen Jesus or know him (1 John 3:6)
7. John warns us that only those that are obedience to God’s Law are his true followers (1 John 3:7)
8. If someone is committing unrepentant sin they are following the devil and not God (1 John 3:7)
9. If you are born of God and abiding in him you will not commit sin (1 John 3:9; 1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10
10. It is the keeping of God’s commandments that is the difference between those that are following God and those that are not following God (1 John 3:10; 1 John 5:3)
11. It is only by Love through faith that we can keep God’s commandments (1 John 5:3-4)
12. God’s true believers in the end days will keep all of God’s commandments through faith in Jesus (Rev 14:12; 22:14)

James also affirms the 10 commandments…….

1. James says God’s Law (10 commandments) are a Royal Law (James 2:8)
2. If we break one of God’s commandments we a guilty before God as sinners breaking all of God’s Law and gave some examples of breaking God’s Law (James 2:9-11)
3. James says God’s Law is a law of liberty and freedom (James 2:12)
4. The 10 commandments (God’s Law) are the standard in the judgment (James 2:12)
5. If our faith does not have the fruit of obedience to God’s Law it is dead and not true faith (James 2:16-26)

Peter affirms the 10 commandments……..

1. Sanctification is to obedience to God’s Law (1 Pet 1:2)
2. We can only be changed from sin to obedience to God’s Law by the power of God and it will be revealed in the last days (1 Pet 1:5)
3. We should give up our sins to be holy because Jesus is holy (1 Pet 1:13-16)
4. Jesus is your example who did no sin (1 Pet 2:21-22)
5. Cease from sin and do not live in the flesh (1 Pet 4:1-3)
6. Judgement will begin at the house of God and sinners (those breaking God’s 10 commandments) will not be saved.
7. God has given us his precious promises and as we believe them God will grant us his divine power to live a life of Godliness (obedience to God’s Law; 2 Pet 1:2-4)
8. The Un-Godly (disobedient to God’s Law) will be like Sodom and Gomorrah (2 Pet 2:6)
9. If any turn away from God’s Law and are in unrepentant sin breaking any of God’10 commandments they will be lost (2 Pet 2:20-22)
10 God is not willing that any should perish but that everyone should come to repentance and turn away from sin to follow God’s 10 commandments because those that do not will receive the judgements of God (2 Pet 3:5-14)

What did Jesus and the Apostles teach about the Sabbath in the New Testament?

1. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
2. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind (Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27)
3. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28)
4. If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4)
5. It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all (James 2:8-12)
6. Breaking it is sin (1 John 3:4)
7. God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded (Rev 14:12; Rev 22:14; Eze 20:20)
8. Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; 1 Cor 11:1; Eph 5:1-21; Pet 2:20-22)
9. The Apostle kept the Sabbath (Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)

God’s Law in the NC is written on our hearts it is through love and it is love the fulfils God’s Law in us as we walk not after the flesh but after the spirit and is why Jesus says f you love me keep my commandments. (John 14:15; John 15:10). If we knowingly break one of God’s commandments we commit sin (1 John 3:4). This includes the 7th Day Sabbath which Jesus made for us and commands us to keep as a holy day.

In Christ Always!

The OP is complete falsehood.

The topic originator and those of his mindset have built a doctrinal house of cards. The claim is that Jesus and the Apostles taught about the Ten Commandments. (the TCs) Yet the title "Ten Commandments" is nowhere to be found in the New Testament. (NT) So, how is that possible?

Their workaround is to claim that the Apostles "affirmed" the TCs when they mentioned them. Is that what they were doing? (nope)

Points to consider:
(based on the OP heading points:
"What did Jesus and the Apostles teach about the Sabbath in the New Testament?")
1) "It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath" -- Jesus said that, but where does it say that in the law? The law makes no provision for good deeds that violate it. The law is the law. That's why they call it the law. It cannot be bent, only broken.
2) "Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind" -- The NT doesn't say that. Does it not also say that man was not made for the Sabbath? But what do the Sabbatarians say?
3) "Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath" -- What does the context tell us that means? Since Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, has the authority to abolish it. And he did, along with the rest of the law.
4) "If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest" -- Hebrews chapter four is not about keeping the Sabbath.
5) "It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all" -- James does not use the title TCs. He says: "... the whole law..." (all 613) Tassels anyone? Don't forget the blue cord. Very important. Remember, the commandments are not burdensome.
6) "Breaking it is sin" -- 1Jn.3:4 says nothing about the TCs.
7) "God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded" -- To whom was the Sabbath commandment given? To the Israelites alone through Moses. See Exodus chapter sixteen. Also: do a Bible search for the words "Sabbath sign". (the Sabbath is a sign between God and the Israelites alone)
8) "Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath" -- That's laughable. See John 5:18 and John 9:16
9) "The Apostle kept the Sabbath" -- Somehow, risking your life to go into a synagogue on the Sabbath to preach about Jesus is considered Sabbath-keeping. See Acts 14:19 They should follow that example.

There you go. Have you ever seen such a pack of falsehood?

 

[Copperhead]

And many forget that the formal 10 commandments were part of the Mosaic / Sinai covenant. Something that Gentiles have never been under unless they were proselytes to Judaism. The Jerusalem council made clear that Gentile believers are not required to be under the Mosaic / Sinai covenant authority. A objective study of Acts 15 and Acts 21 illuminates that.

 

[Saint Steven]

And many forget that the formal 10 commandments were part of the Mosaic / Sinai covenant. Something that Gentiles have never been under unless they were proselytes to Judaism. The Jerusalem council made clear that Gentile believers are not required to be under the Mosaic / Sinai covenant authority. A objective study of Acts 15 and Acts 21 illuminates that.

Thanks. I agree. I am familiar with Acts chapter fifteen. At quick glance I am not sure what you are referring to in Acts chapter twenty-one. Did you mean Acts chapter twenty?

 

[Copperhead]

Thanks. I agree. I am familiar with Acts chapter fifteen. At quick glance I am not sure what you are referring to in Acts chapter twenty-one. Did you mean Acts chapter twenty?

No, I did mean Acts 21... the events surrounding Paul being instructed to offer at the Temple and his arrest there.

He was being accused by some of his teaching the Hebrews where he went to forsake Moses (the Torah). James and the Jerusalem Church leadership instructed Paul go to the temple and offer for the Nazarite vow to substantiate the he did not teach the Hebrews to forsake the Torah.

The key being.... the Hebrews were under the Mosaic / Sinai covenant of which the 10 commandments were a part of. They still have that as THEIR covenant, even when they believe in Yeshua. The Gentiles were never part of that Mosaic / Sinai covenant. And James was very clear (Acts 15) that the Gentiles coming to faith in the Hebrew Messiah should not be placed under the Mosaic / Sinai covenant.

Now, I suppose one could voluntarily place themselves under the Mosaic / Sinai covenant, but for what reason, I have no clue. As James clearly stated.....

Acts 15:10 (NKJV) Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

It just makes no sense for Gentile believers to place a yoke on themselves that scripture says is not their yoke. But some just are gluttons for adversity.

 

[Saint Steven]

…

What did Jesus and the Apostles teach about the Sabbath in the New Testament?

1. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
2. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind (Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27)
3. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28)
4. If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4)
5. It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all (James 2:8-12)
6. Breaking it is sin (1 John 3:4)
7. God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded (Rev 14:12; Rev 22:14; Eze 20:20)
8. Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; 1 Cor 11:1; Eph 5:1-21; Pet 2:20-22)
9. The Apostle kept the Sabbath (Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)

God’s Law in the NC is written on our hearts it is through love and it is love the fulfils God’s Law in us as we walk not after the flesh but after the spirit and is why Jesus says f you love me keep my commandments. (John 14:15; John 15:10). If we knowingly break one of God’s commandments we commit sin (1 John 3:4). This includes the 7th Day Sabbath which Jesus made for us and commands us to keep as a holy day.

In Christ Always!

Here are your claims about Jesus and the Apostles keeping the Sabbath. See points eight and nine quoted above. Many are just scriptures that contain the word Sabbath. Nothing about keeping the Sabbath. Many more mention gathering at the synagogue as a reference to Sabbath-keeping.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Hello Steve, let's examine your teachings in detail and see how they match up to scripture?

The OP is complete falsehood.
The topic originator and those of his mindset have built a doctrinal house of cards. The claim is that Jesus and the Apostles taught about the Ten Commandments. (the TCs) Yet the title "Ten Commandments" is nowhere to be found in the New Testament. (NT) So, how is that possible? Their workaround is to claim that the Apostles "affirmed" the TCs when they mentioned them. Is that what they were doing? (nope)

So your, your argument Steve is that because they words "The 10 commandments" are not used in reference to the 10 Commandments then no scripture that Jesus and the Apostles used can be talking about the 10 Commandments?

This is the same as saying that if JESUS or the APOSTLES are quoting one or more of God's 10 Commandments than they are not talking about the 10 Commandments. Your argument does not make any sense. It is the scripture and chapter context that determines the meaning and the topic of conversation.

Scripture examples from the NEW TESTAMENT...

Matthew 19
16, And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17, And he said unto him, Why call thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: BUT IF YOU WILL ENTER INTO LIFE KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS.

NOTE: WHAT COMMANDMENTS IS JESUS TALKING ABOUT HERE?

18, He saith unto him, WHICH? JESUS SAID, THOU SHALT NOT MURDER, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, HONOR YOU MOTHER AND FATHER AND THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF
20, The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? 21, Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. <Jesus showed him that he may have fulfilled His duty of love to his neighbor but not to God breaking commandment 1 and 2 loving riches more than God>

Well Jesus makes it very clear that what he is talking about it is the 10 commandments of God's Law.

What about James................................................................

James 2
8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF, ye do well:
9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL KEEP THE WHOLE LAW AND YET OFFEND IN ONE POINT, HE SHALL BE GUILTY OF ALL.
11, FOR HE THAT SAID, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY SAID ALSO DO NOT KILL. NOW IF YOU DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY AND YOU KILL, YOU HAVE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW.
12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Well James makes it very clear what he is talking about when he talks about the Royal Law of love. He is talking about the 10 commandments. So Jesus and James both agree that they are talking about God's 10 commandments which also include the 4th commandment which is one of the ten.

What about Paul? He wrote a lot of books in God's Word...........................

Romans 13
8, Owe no man anything, but to LOVE ONE ANOTHER: for HE THAT LOVES ANOTHER HAS FULFILLED THE LAW.
9, For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and IF THERE SHALL BE ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF.
10, Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW.

Sorry Steve, God's WORD disagrees with you.

Points to consider:
(based on the OP heading points:
"What did Jesus and the Apostles teach about the Sabbath in the New Testament?")
1) "It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath" -- Jesus said that, but where does it say that in the law? The law makes no provision for good deeds that violate it. The law is the law. That's why they call it the law. It cannot be bent, only broken.
2) "Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind" -- The NT doesn't say that. Does it not also say that man was not made for the Sabbath? But what do the Sabbatarians say?
3) "Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath" -- What does the context tell us that means? Since Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, has the authority to abolish it. And he did, along with the rest of the law.
4) "If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest" -- Hebrews chapter four is not about keeping the Sabbath.
5) "It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all" -- James does not use the title TCs. He says: "... the whole law..." (all 613) Tassels anyone? Don't forget the blue cord. Very important. Remember, the commandments are not burdensome.
6) "Breaking it is sin" -- 1Jn.3:4 says nothing about the TCs.
7) "God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded" -- To whom was the Sabbath commandment given? To the Israelites alone through Moses. See Exodus chapter sixteen. Also: do a Bible search for the words "Sabbath sign". (the Sabbath is a sign between God and the Israelites alone)
8) "Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath" -- That's laughable. See John 5:18 and John 9:16
9) "The Apostle kept the Sabbath" -- Somehow, risking your life to go into a synagogue on the Sabbath to preach about Jesus is considered Sabbath-keeping. See Acts 14:19 They should follow that example.

There you go. Have you ever seen such a pack of falsehood?

Now Steve, all you have managed to do is post only part of the OP then post yourself over scripture claiming that the scriptures provided are falsehood?

All I hear is your words over all the scripture quoted from God's WORD that disagrees with your teachings that God's LAW is ABOLISHED. Sorry Steve, these are God's WORD not mine. Your argument is with God not me.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Here are your claims about Jesus and the Apostles keeping the Sabbath. See points eight and nine quoted above. Many are just scriptures that contain the word Sabbath. Nothing about keeping the Sabbath. Many more mention gathering at the synagogue as a reference to Sabbath-keeping.

Well none of that is true. There are many scriptures quoted and you talk about two scriptures where Jesus and the Apostles keep the Sabbath? I suggest you read the OP seems you have not.

 

[Saint Steven]

Hello Steve, let's examine your teachings in detail and see how they match up to scripture?



So your, your argument Steve is that because they words "The 10 commandments" are not used in reference to the 10 Commandments then no scripture that Jesus and the Apostles used can be talking about the 10 Commandments?

This is the same as saying that if JESUS or the APOSTLES are quoting one or more of God's 10 Commandments than they are not talking about the 10 Commandments. Your argument does not make any sense. It is the scripture and chapter context that determines the meaning and the topic of conversation.

Scripture examples from the NEW TESTAMENT...

Matthew 19
16, And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17, And he said unto him, Why call thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: BUT IF YOU WILL ENTER INTO LIFE KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS.

NOTE: WHAT COMMANDMENTS IS JESUS TALKING ABOUT HERE?

18, He saith unto him, WHICH? JESUS SAID, THOU SHALT NOT MURDER, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, HONOR YOU MOTHER AND FATHER AND THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF
20, The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? 21, Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. <Jesus showed him that he may have fulfilled His duty of love to his neighbor but not to God breaking commandment 1 and 2 loving riches more than God>

Well Jesus makes it very clear that what he is talking about it is the 10 commandments of God's Law.

What about James................................................................

James 2
8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF, ye do well:
9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL KEEP THE WHOLE LAW AND YET OFFEND IN ONE POINT, HE SHALL BE GUILTY OF ALL.
11, FOR HE THAT SAID, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY SAID ALSO DO NOT KILL. NOW IF YOU DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY AND YOU KILL, YOU HAVE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW.
12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Well James makes it very clear what he is talking about when he talks about the Royal Law of love. He is talking about the 10 commandments. So Jesus and James both agree that they are talking about God's 10 commandments which also include the 4th commandment which is one of the ten.

What about Paul? He wrote a lot of books in God's Word...........................

Romans 13
8, Owe no man anything, but to LOVE ONE ANOTHER: for HE THAT LOVES ANOTHER HAS FULFILLED THE LAW.
9, For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and IF THERE SHALL BE ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF.
10, Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW.

Sorry Steve, God's WORD disagrees with you.

Now Steve, all you have managed to do is post only part of the OP then post yourself over scripture claiming that the scriptures provided are falsehood?

All I hear is your words over all the scripture quoted from God's WORD that disagrees with your teachings that God's LAW is ABOLISHED. Sorry Steve, these are God's WORD not mine. Your argument is with God not me.

You are misusing "God's WORD".
Simply posting a Bible verse proves nothing.
For example, you posted a bunch of scriptures references at the bottom of the OP that simply contain the Sabbath. Nothing to do with Sabbath-keeping. Just because the word Sabbath appears doesn't mean what you are claiming.

In reference to the title "Ten Commandments" (TCs) not being in the new testament (NT), this is true. What it means is that the law is a singular thing. You can't separate the TCs from the whole law. And a NT reference to the law, or commandments is never limited the TCs.