Jesus and sin

[trophy33]

the Sabbath is part of this same law, written by the finger of God, so no I can't get on board that we can break this commandment

You are contradicting apostles, though.

One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike.
Rom 14:5

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days"
Col 2:16-23

Also, there is a huge problem with your theories - you base them upon your personal feelings. You cannot objectively define what is and what is not allowed on Sabbath, what the keeping even is. Is cleaning allowed? Cooking? Hiking? Ordering things from eshops? Physical shopping? You claim that the knowledge grows in time, but that simply means that everybody must break the Sabbath in the beginnings and possibly for the whole life of "growing".

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You are contradicting apostles, though.

One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike.
Rom 14:5

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days"
Col 2:16-23

And here's the context again...for those seeking that.

Context is given in Col 2:14 No one ever quotes this because they want to stay in darkness instead of coming to God's Truth.

The sabbath(s) in ordinances (annual feast days) handwritten by Moses which the context is in verse 14 Co 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

The weekly Sabbath is a commandment of God, not a suggestion, finger written personally by our Lord and Savior that is holy and blessed and God said "Remember" because He knew everyone would forget. Once God blesses something as He did the Sabbath day, man cannot reverse. Num 23:20

Rom 14:15 is referring to opinions of man, not what day God esteems over all others- the Sabbath is My holy day, the seventh day is the Sabbath Exo 20:10 Isa 58:13 which is why Romans 14 never once mentions the Sabbath. Man adds it there because that's their will, not God's.

Also, there is a huge problem with your theories - you base them upon your personal feelings. You cannot objectively define what is and what is not allowed on Sabbath, what the keeping even is. Is cleaning allowed? Cooking? Hiking? Ordering things from eshops? Physical shopping? You claim that the knowledge grows in time, but that simply means that everybody must break the Sabbath in the beginnings and possibly for the whole life of "growing".

No God did not teach us how to keep His Sabbath commandment based off my "feelings" This has been discussed at length many times. If we don't believe Jesus on how to keep the Sabbath, not sure why my words would matter.

Keeping the Sabbath

I was asked this question and thought it would be more appropriate to answer here. . . So let me ask you how you keep the Sabbath Holy. Do you do no work at all? No grass mowing, laundry, or dish washing? No, I do not work on the Sabbath. I personally don't look at the Sabbath as to what we...

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What do you do on the Sabbath.

Go to church is the easy answer, but what do you do with the rest of the day. How do you spend your Sabbath day which sets it aside from the other days of the week. Should be interesting to see with all the various backgrounds..

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[trophy33]

And here's the context again...for those seeking that.

Context is given in Col 2:14 No one ever quotes this because they want to stay in darkness instead of coming to God's Truth.

The sabbath(s) in ordinances (annual feast days) handwritten by Moses which the context is in verse 14 Co 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

The weekly Sabbath is a commandment of God, not a suggestion, finger written personally by our Lord and Savior that is holy and blessed and God said "Remember" because He knew everyone would forget. Once God blesses something as He did the Sabbath day, man cannot reverse. Num 23:20

People do not quote Col 2:14 not because they want to stay in darkness, but because it does not change the Col 2:16 in any way. Here is the verse in its broader context :

So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live your lives in him, rooted and built up in him, strengthened in the faith as you were taught, and overflowing with thankfulness.
See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces a of this world rather than on Christ.
For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority. In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision not performed by human hands. Your whole self ruled by the flesh was put off when you were circumcised by Christ, having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.
When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross. And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

--> its obvious that Sabbath was just a shadow of things that came in Christ

Rom 14:15 is referring to opinions of man, not what day God esteems over all others- the Sabbath is My holy day, the seventh day is the Sabbath Exo 20:10 Isa 58:13 which is why Romans 14 never once mentions the Sabbath. Man adds it there because that's their will, not God's.

Its not Rom 14:15, but Rom 14:5:

One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind.
Rom 14:5 (NIV)

No God did not teach us how to keep His Sabbath commandment based off my "feelings" This has been discussed at length many times. If we don't believe Jesus on how to keep the Sabbath, not sure why my words would matter.

Keeping the Sabbath

I was asked this question and thought it would be more appropriate to answer here. . . So let me ask you how you keep the Sabbath Holy. Do you do no work at all? No grass mowing, laundry, or dish washing? No, I do not work on the Sabbath. I personally don't look at the Sabbath as to what we...

www.christianforums.com

What do you do on the Sabbath.

Go to church is the easy answer, but what do you do with the rest of the day. How do you spend your Sabbath day which sets it aside from the other days of the week. Should be interesting to see with all the various backgrounds..

www.christianforums.com

You have no way of knowing what from our current modern lifestyle is supposed to be allowed if the Sabbath keeping is still in place. The Old Testament was written before our era, so you must guess.

You interpret the commandments (not just Sabbath) according to what seems right for you, personally. But it cannot be objectively proven for anybody else. Thats where Ellen White comes in - if you believe she was a prophet, you also suddenly have the authority to tell you how the Old Testament applies to our times. In the same way as Mormons have their prophets, Jehovah Witnesses have their Watchtower magazines and Roman Catholics have their popes and cardinals.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

People do not quote Col 2:14 not because they want to stay in darkness, but because it does not change the Col 2:16 in any way. Here is the verse in its broader context :

So then, just as you received Christ Jesus as Lord, continue to live your lives in him, rooted and built up in him, strengthened in the faith as you were taught, and overflowing with thankfulness.
See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces a of this world rather than on Christ.
For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority. In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision not performed by human hands. Your whole self ruled by the flesh was put off when you were circumcised by Christ, having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.
When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross. And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

--> its obvious that Sabbath was just a shadow of things that came in Christ



Its not Rom 14:15, but Rom 14:5:

One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind.
Rom 14:5 (NIV)


You have no way of knowing what from our current modern lifestyle is supposed to be allowed if the Sabbath keeping is still in place. To my question why was carrying a mat through the city or healing allowed, but not the proper burial of the son of God, you remained silent.

You interpret the commandments (not just Sabbath) according to what seems right for you, personally. But it cannot be objectively proven for anybody else.

Finger written by God will never be handwritten by Moses and blessed and holy by God is not the definition of contrary. The weekly Sabbath can't be a shadow of anything as it was part of Creation before the fall of man, but the sabbath(s) found in ordinances that were handwritten by Moses after the fall of man that had to do with food, drink and sacrifices that pointed to Jesus Exo 12:43 1 Cor 5:7 is and the context clearly shown Col 2:17 Heb 10:1-22 nor did the weekly Sabbath end, but kept after the cross Luke 23:56 and faithfully kept decades later Acts 14:42;44 Acts 18:4 and for eternity for God's faithful Isa 66:23 but we have free will to believe what we want, its not something I would want to be wrong about considering it is a commandment of God written personally by God but all gets straightened out soon enough.

 

[trophy33]

Finger written by God will never be handwritten by Moses and blessed and holy by God is not the definition of contrary.

I have no idea what this sentence is supposed to mean.

The weekly Sabbath can't be a shadow of anything as it was part of Creation before the fall of man, but the sabbath(s) found in ordinances that were handwritten by Moses after the fall of man that had to do with food, drink and sacrifices that pointed to Jesus Exo 12:43 1 Cor 5:7 is and the context clearly shown Col 2:17 Heb 10:1-22 nor did the weekly Sabbath end, but kept after the cross Luke 23:56 and faithfully kept decades later Acts 14:42;44 Acts 18:4 and for eternity for God's faithful Isa 66:23 but we have free will to believe what we want, its not something I would want to be wrong about considering it is a commandment of God written personally by God but all gets straightened out soon enough.

Wow, this is a reeeeeeally long sentence. When you separate/unglue your thoughts one from another, you may discover they do not belong to each other.