Jesus and robots.

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I'm sure you've all heard it before. That free will is the reason that our Love to God has any power at all. God didn't create us, the elect, as robots, to Love Him. That would not be Love at all. Love is a free will choice, for Him, and this is the very reason He gave us free will in the first place, by Adam. God Loves us and yet, He is a respecter of our free will. Our will to choose life in Him through Christ, and our will to reject Christ for the things of this world and the deceptions of the evil one. And yet God loves each of His creation still.

In the Garden of Eden, we died in Adam, and sin was imputed to all men. Christ redeemed us by His blood. Animal sacrifices were but a foreshadow of Christ's atoning sacrifice, and this is why blood had to be shed at all. Because of Him. Christ became as man, so that man may be reacquired through Christ, in spite of our rebellion. Jesus took upon Himself our sin and was made sin for us so that we might become the sons of God. This is penalty substitutionary atonement. This is scriptural.

One day in the future we are told that we will be freed from all sin and taken out of the bondage of the corruptible, and to put on, as it were, sinless incorruption. Our new bodies, living lives of perfect obedience and communion throughout eternity? But then how will we live? If free will is present, then how will sin be put away forever? Would we not be then made like the atomaton who cannot choose evil? How does that work? If the sin nature is gone by our union with God, would that not make us robots again? Does free will exist in Heaven?

 

[Sabertooth]

If the sin nature is gone by our union with God, would that not make us robots again? Does free will exist in Heaven?

Having been in sin (and redeemed out of it), we would never want that again.
Hell is more of a consequence than malice on God's part. We are not robots if we reject choices because we understand their bad consequences. Having God's Law written on our hearts [Hebrews 10:16-17] will only serve to amplify that wisdom.

Having the choice to do something incredibly stupid and choosing not to do so is still "free will." In fact, it is even more free will than being trapped inside of these bodies that are so inclined to sin.

 

[Tolworth John]

Does free will exist in Heaven?

Yes and no.

We will know God and Jesus, really know them as in face to face conversations and working beside them, know them.
We will know the Holiness of God and from our lives the vileness of sin.
Let me illustrate it:-
You are on holiday and the holiday rep says, 'theres been a mix up you can't stay where you've book.
But I have two alternatives. Option 1 a high class hotel, on suite rooms, all expenses paid or a hotel one step away from being condemned as unsafe, unhygienic etc etc. Which would you choose?

Having experienced God do you think you could walk away for a lesser experience?

We will have the ability to chose, just will we want too.

 

[Petros2015]

But then how will we live? If free will is present, then how will sin be put away forever? Would we not be then made like the atomaton who cannot choose evil? How does that work? If the sin nature is gone by our union with God, would that not make us robots again? Does free will exist in Heaven?

The people in this symphony magic trick have free will and have aligned it with the conductor

 

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I'm sure you've all heard it before. That free will is the reason that our Love to God has any power at all. God didn't create us, the elect, as robots, to Love Him. That would not be Love at all. Love is a free will choice, for Him, and this is the very reason He gave us free will in the first place, by Adam. God Loves us and yet, He is a respecter of our free will. Our will to choose life in Him through Christ, and our will to reject Christ for the things of this world and the deceptions of the evil one. And yet God loves each of His creation still.

In the Garden of Eden, we died in Adam, and sin was imputed to all men. Christ redeemed us by His blood. Animal sacrifices were but a foreshadow of Christ's atoning sacrifice, and this is why blood had to be shed at all. Because of Him. Christ became as man, so that man may be reacquired through Christ, in spite of our rebellion. Jesus took upon Himself our sin and was made sin for us so that we might become the sons of God. This is penalty substitutionary atonement. This is scriptural.

One day in the future we are told that we will be freed from all sin and taken out of the bondage of the corruptible, and to put on, as it were, sinless incorruption. Our new bodies, living lives of perfect obedience and communion throughout eternity? But then how will we live? If free will is present, then how will sin be put away forever? Would we not be then made like the atomaton who cannot choose evil? How does that work? If the sin nature is gone by our union with God, would that not make us robots again? Does free will exist in Heaven?

Think about this question: What do we have when going to heaven, which the angels before sinning did not have (or we might assume they did not have)?

1. The angels before sinning may not have had any experience with sin, the ability to sin and be redeemed might only be available on earth, thus did not have a good knowledge of sin and especially the individual impact on the sinner after sinning, this is similar to Adam and Eve before they sinned. In this way sin has purpose for mature adults.

2. Mature adults also have experience with satan’s evilness, one of the reasons satan is still around.

3. On earth we have a necessary and valuable survival instinct and an instinct to reproduce, which does produce a selfishness nature, but in heaven we are eternal and cannot reproduce, so there is no reason for these instincts.

4. Mature saved adults after sinning much creating an unbelievable huge debt automatically receive an unbelievable huge Love (Godly type Love) Luke 7, but that first requires sinning, again. This also is something Adam and Eve could not experience prior to sinning.

5. Mature adults also experience God’s forgiveness and have the free will ability to accept or reject God’s forgiveness.

6. While on earth we are sexual beings, able to experience or at least observe: family, children, reproduction, parental responsibility, oneness, and the conflicts that go along with being sexual beings.

7. In heaven we loss our sexuality (there is no reason to appropriate) so there is no reason to try and win a mate, be jealous of those competing for our potential mate. There is really no reason to be perceived as being better than we are.

8. There might not even be physical human like beauty in heaven (we might be able to change our looks to whatever we want).

9. There really may not be anything we would “want” that we do not already have. You might think while on earth: “I want to be my own God”, but what is a real God like (Christ), so do your want to be that servant of all, washing everyone’s feet? God Loves you more than you could ever Love Him back, so who is better off in that scenario? The person being sacrificially Loved is better than the person with less Love, Loving the Lover back. Yes, we worship Him out of our gratitude Godly type Love, but He Loves us more. Are you willing and wanting to go through all God has gone through, so you can be a god? The greater you are, the greater servant you are of others.

10. We also know what satan did in heaven and the results.

11. What in heaven would you “selfishly” want, if you really have all you want?

12. The biggest thing I see is us having the indwelling Holy Spirt, but in heaven we can see Him, we still have the free will to quench Him and go it on our own, why would we (do we want to be away from Him?)

13. At the alter/thrown we might also see Christ blood still dripping to help us not to forget.

14. Another huge factor is we will have the work we enjoy doing (helping others), this might mean we protect and preserve those who never had the opportunity to fulfill their earthly objective while on earth and thus they do not have Godly type Love.

15. The tree of knowledge or something like it is not there to tempt us.

16. There are other factors, but this is off the top of my head.