Jesus and mohamid

[MercuryAndy]

Why did jesus do many more miricles than mohamid?

 

[mnbvcxz87]

There's no proof that either performed any 'miracles'.

 

[Liberate]

Why did jesus do many more miricles than mohamid?

Do not be fooled, Mohammed did not perform any miracles, the quran is claimed to be his sole miracle, yet he didn't write it, and never oversaw it's compilation, or gave Uthman the permission to destroy the other 7 'dialects' the quran was alledgedly written in. The entire argument that the quran is a miracle is just one big circular fallacy, alledged book written after the facts, based on a language developed with the quran in mind, and amended to suit the quran, is claimed as a miracle since it rhymes, Eminem can also rhyme, would you consider him a prophet?

 

[MercuryAndy]

But why would they lie?

 

[mnbvcxz87]

But why would they lie?

To secure their own futures and position in a powerful organisation (roman catholic church) and the wealth that comes with it.

As with nearly all immoralities / lies / scams / wrongs in general, money and or power are inevitably at the root.

As for muhamud I believe him to be merely delusional.

 

[Arthra]

There are miracles attributed to Prophet Muhammad but they are less known in the west. The Qur'an is the greatest miracle so emphasis is on that rather than some of the reported miracles.

The Baha'i view is that miracles are only most real to those who immediately experience them and are not as valid as proofs as we basically only hear about them second hand. But we don't deny that miracles can and do happen.

- Art

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

There's no proof that either performed any 'miracles'.

I don't know about the number of mircles, but Jesus is mentioned more times in the Bible than He is in the Koran.
The End spoken of has yet to arrive though it appears to be 2000 years late.

jesus occurs 983 times in 942 verses: Page 1, verses 1 - 25

John 19:30 So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, "It is finished!" And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.

1 Peter 4:7 But the End [ teloV] of ALL things is nigh at hand; therefore be sober-minded and watchful in your prayers.

 

[français]

Well, think about Joseph Smith.. He created the mormon religion claiming to be a prophet, and he didn't even force anyone to join! Mohammad on the other hand not only forced people to join, but the people who became Muslim were poor, and fell for just about anything they heard.

So if Joseph Smith can have millions of followers, Mohammad, a man who forced people to join the religion and had followers who had a ton of kids could easily get people to it.

And there is no way the Qu'ran could have been sent down from God.. Just look at these versus..

6:104, 6:114, 37:164-6, 51:50, 84:16

Like the mormons did, Islam was made up by some person who wanted attention. Sadly, he got very popular. Just as Zeus and the Roman Gods were created, Mohammad created his own little religion. Christianity has proof of its existance.. we have Bibles dating back to the 4th century.. but the oldest qu'ran.. from the 18th century.

 

[Arthra]

kjf...

With all due respect the "Skeptics Annotated Quran" you cite from is about as useless as the "Sheptics Annotated Bible". So they are not that compelling to use as evidence. (My opinion of course).

Also I think you over simplify Islam..there's more to it.

- Art

 

[Lord_Marx]

In terms of miracles, Moses beats them both.

 

[Arthra]

It's curious that we even think there should be a magic miracle contest...

- Art

 

[arunma]

In terms of miracles, Moses beats them both.

Well, along Arthra's "magic miracle contest" line of thinking, I would think that Christ's miracles win out by just a bit. As unlikely as it is, a parting of the sea is possible by naturalistic means. Christ's many miracles, especially the resurrection, seem more "miraculous."

Not that it really matters...

 

[benmaarof]

Why did jesus do many more miricles than mohamid?

There's no proof that Jesus did more miracles than the Prophet Muhammad. The Prophet Muhammad made plenty of miracles and and there were witnessess that testify in observing those miracles. But we do not dwell on those miracles except for the Quran.

Hadith Muslim, Book 039, Number 6726:

'Abdullah b. Mas'ud reported that the moon was split up in two parts during the lifetime of God's Messenger (may peace be upon him). The mountain covered one of its parts and one part of it was above the mountain and God's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Bear witness to this.

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Hadith BukhariVolume 1, Book 4, Number 170: Narrated Anas bin Malik:
saw God's Apostle when the 'Asr prayer was due and the people searched for water to perform ablution but they could not find it. Later on (a pot full of) water for ablution was brought to God's Apostle . He put his hand in that pot and ordered the people to perform ablution from it. I saw the water springing out from underneath his fingers till all of them performed the ablution (it was one of the miracles of the Prophet).

Hadith Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 73, Number 115: Narrated Anas:
A man came to the Prophet on a Friday while he (the Prophet) was delivering a sermon at Medina, and said, "There is lack of rain, so please invoke your Lord to bless us with the rain." The Prophet looked at the sky when no cloud could be detected. Then he invoked God for rain. Clouds started gathering together and it rained till the Medina valleys started flowing with water. It continued raining till the next Friday. Then that man (or some other man) stood up while the Prophet was delivering the Friday sermon, and said, "We are drowned; Please invoke your Lord to withhold it (rain) from us" The Prophet smiled and said twice or thrice, "O God! Please let it rain round about us and not upon us." The clouds started dispersing over Medina to the right and to the left, and it rained round about Medina and not upon Medina. God showed them (the people) the miracle of His Prophet and His response to his invocation.

These were just some of the many recorded miracles told by witnesses to those events.

We Muslims believe that Jesus made miracles because the Quran said so. But what else is there other than the words of the Quran.

And why should Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Atheists and the rest should believe that Jesus and Muhammad made those miracles? None of them were witnesses to those miracles. They did not see Jesus walked on water or Muhammad split the moon. Should they believe them just because Christians and Muslims said so?

If I ask you prove that Jesus walked on water, can you do it? No. The prophets showed their miracles for their own particular audiences.

That why that the Prophet claimed the Quran as his miracle. I can read it, you can read it. Itis here right now as it was back then. The contents are still the same.

And why is the Quran a miracle? Partly because it contains logical explainations about the nature of God that's not provided by other faiths.

 

[benmaarof]

If I ask any of you Christians you to prove to me that Jesus walked on water, cured the sick or rose from the dead, can any of you do it?

 

[arunma]

Benmaarof, the problem here is that the Quran doesn't appear to be all that miraculous. You say that it is superior poetry, but unless you can provide an objective benchmark for great poetry, this claim is useless to us.

 

[français]

If I ask any of you Christians you to prove to me that Jesus walked on water, cured the sick or rose from the dead, can any of you do it?

If I asked you to prove the Qu'ran was sent directly from God, could you prove it?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

If I ask any of you Christians you to prove to me that Jesus walked on water, cured the sick or rose from the dead, can any of you do it?

Can you prove Moses parted the Red Sea?

 

[benmaarof]

Benmaarof, the problem here is that the Quran doesn't appear to be all that miraculous. You say that it is superior poetry, but unless you can provide an objective benchmark for great poetry, this claim is useless to us.

When did I say it has superior poetry? It might be true, but I certainly would not ram it down non-Muslim throats.

But I will say this. It has superior logic. It explains the logic for the existence of God and also the logical nature of God (Absolute Unity)

 

[benmaarof]

Can you prove Moses parted the Red Sea?

No, I cannot. Nor can I prove that the Prophet Muhammad split the moon. Even if it's in the Hadiths.

Should other non-Jews-Christian-Muslims believe that Moses parted the Red Sea? Should they believe that Jesus rose from the dead?

These over-reliances on miracles (even if they were true) can't really be a good foundation for faith, can they? You might believe them, but others don't. Why? Simply because they were not witnessess to those miracles.

That's why faith has to be supported by logic. The existence and purpose of things has to be logical and reasonable. That's why God gave us a brain to think of all of these things.

 

[benmaarof]

If I asked you to prove the Qu'ran was sent directly from God, could you prove it?

Of course I can't. Why? Because it was not sent directly in the first place. It was sent through the Prophet Muhammad.in small and large chunks over a period of 23 years.

The miracle of the Quran is not of how it came to be and of it's existance. The Quran demands that we use our brain and logic and reason to get to the truth. For example;

On the logical existence of God;

(Quran 2.164) Behold! in the creation of the heavens and the earth; in the alternation of the night and the day; in the sailing of the ships through the ocean for the profit of mankind; in the rain which God Sends down from the skies, and the life which He gives therewith to an earth that is dead; in the beasts of all kinds that He scatters through the earth; in the change of the winds, and the clouds which they Trail like their slaves between the sky and the earth;- (Here) indeed are Signs for a people that are wise.

(Quran 021.030) Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?

On the logical nature of God;

Quran 002.255 God! There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory).

On logical nature of the Prophet Jesus;

Quran 003.059 The similitude of Jesus before God is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was.

Quran 004.171 O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of God aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of God, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so bel
ieve in God and His apostles. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for God is one God: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is God as a Disposer of affairs.

Quran 005.017 In blasphemy indeed are those that say that God is Christ the son of Mary. Say: "Who then hath the least power against God, if His will were to destroy Christ the son of Mary, his mother, and all every - one that is on the earth? For to God be longeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He createth what He pleaseth. For God hath power over all things."

005.075 Christ the son of Mary was no more than an apostle; many were the apostles that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how God doth make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!

The Quran asks us to think first before committing to blind faith. And that is it's miracle.