Jesus a borrowed idea of Krishna?

[ScottUnitarian]

I'm a little confused why you believe Jesus wasn't before Adam, when Jesus was never created and has neither beginning or end.

I never said Jesus wasn't before Adam. To say something is to state something. I asked a question.

As to He and His father being one, means they are one.

This is vacuous.

The trinity is God and all which that consists of. So, a reading of the gospels clearly explains what it means, and since you read it, I figured I wouldn't need post on that.

I've read the Gospels five times in four different translations, three of which were modern, scholarly translations. The Gospels do not explain the trinity, because the trinity is a post-Jesus misconception.

Jesus also said, no man comes to the Father but by me.

This is a metaphor....

[...] Mary and Joseph are sinners [...]

You mean God conceived Jesus in a spiritually corrupted woman?? I think you shouldn't be calling anyone a sinner, especially not the mother of Jesus.

So He didn't deny He was God when Thomas realized He is God.

As I tried to explain, this is an interpretation of what Thomas said, and I'm not convinced this is what he meant.

Majority Christans do not, but Catholics do, if you consider them majority, then I understand but I don't see Catholcs as majority of believers.

It's a demographic fact that most Christians are Catholics, it has nothing to do what you personally see or not. I understand fine why they call their ministers "Father". I didn't ask why they did it.

It [the Greatest Commandment] has nothing to do with believing anyone is God [...]

I'm glad we agree.
Bless you,

Scott

 

[tapero]

I never said Jesus wasn't before Adam. To say something is to state something. I asked a question.



This is vacuous.



I've read the Gospels five times in four different translations, three of which were modern, scholarly translations. The Gospels do not explain the trinity, because the trinity is a post-Jesus misconception.



This is a metaphor....



You mean God conceived Jesus in a spiritually corrupted woman?? I think you shouldn't be calling anyone a sinner, especially not the mother of Jesus.



As I tried to explain, this is an interpretation of what Thomas said, and I'm not convinced this is what he meant.



It's a demographic fact that most Christians are Catholics, it has nothing to do what you personally see or not. I understand fine why they call their ministers "Father". I didn't ask why they did it.


I'm glad we agree.
Bless you,

Scott

I wrote:

As to He and His father being one, means they are one.

Jesus said such, so you dont' believe Jesus either?

As to the trinity:

We know the Holy Spirit is God:

3Then Peter said, "Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4Didn't it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn't the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied to men but to God."

Last post I wrote you about showed Jesus as God.
I'm sure you've no doubt the Father is God.

Hence the trinity; Father, Son, Holy Spirit One God.

There is no other mention of any other called God in the bible, hence the trinity.

re:

Jesus also said, no man comes to the Father but by me.

you said this is metaphor

Only means one thing, exactly what it says, and is stated at least twice by Jesus.

Yes, Mary is a sinner. There is only one human that did not sin, and that is Jesus. All descendents of Adam and Eve are sinners, everyone!

23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47Someone told him, "Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you."[g] 48He replied to him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?" 49Pointing to his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers. 50For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother."

How Jesus born of a corrupted woman?

but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit.

because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.

The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel"[d]—which means, "God with us."

31You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus.

How will this be," Mary asked the angel, "since I am a virgin?"

35The angel answered, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called[c] the Son of God

As to demographics:

Many people of that faith, believe they are born Christians, ask some, and you'll see. No one is a Christian until they come to Christ. No one is born a Christian. No one. So demos are skewed, aside from that many believe they are Christians and are not.

Many people call themselves Christians because they are not Jewish but are not Christians but is what many will say when asked cause is what they are told.

 

[Nadiine]

I personally like to use an example of a Family Unit to help relay a Trinity.

ONE FAMILY UNIT can consist of 3 or more people. Take a family of 5: Dad, mom and 3 children. All of that family share ONE last name and are ONE family, functioning as one unit - yet 5 separate people are involved which make up the one family.
ALL persons within that family are EQUAL as human beings - yet have different functions, authority and positions. The kids submit to the parents, the wife submits to the husband, yet they are EQUAL as human beings. One is not "better" as a human being than another in any way.

So God consists of 3 persons, YET IS ONE GOD[head].
Christ submits to the Father, yet is EQUAL as God in being.
Just as there is order in the Godhead, there is order in humanity.


Another example is the "Body of Christ" that Paul defines. He says "we are many but ONE body of Christ".
MANY members (Christians), but ONE body of believers that are equally loved by God and EQUAL as beings.
Millions of people make up one body of Christians and each have different positions, functions, gifts and authorties within that body.

Bosses are "above" their employees, but it in no way implies that a boss is BETTER AS A HUMAN BEING than his employee. They are Equal as people.

Once we can grasp how authority, order and equality work in God's creation, I think it's easier to see and accept in God's very being - as a Trinity - Tri (3) Unity.

Here's a page link to explain the Trinity from scripture.
http://www.concernedchristians.org/nocomparison_trinity1.php