JDS, What Does It Mean?

lismore · Mar 4, 2012

dollarsbill said:
Nobody here knows what Copeland teaches about JDS? That seems quite odd.

I thought Kenneth Hagin and Kenneth Copeland were like key pioneers in the WOF movement. It seems odd that the WOF folks here are unfamiliar with their teachings.

Simon Peter · Mar 4, 2012

lismore said:
I thought Kenneth Hagin and Kenneth Copeland were like key pioneers in the WOF movement. It seems odd that the WOF folks here are unfamiliar with their teachings.

I agree, it is rather odd. I'm not WoF, and have never been WoF, but even I know that Kenyon, Hagin and Copeland have taught very similar versions of JDS.

peace,
Simon

TasManOfGod · Mar 5, 2012

If This helps:
Jesus who was righteous took (became) our sin
We who were sinful received (became) His righteousness

Laura Phillips · Mar 5, 2012

He did die spiritually. He suffered the real punishment for all of our sins, from the witch burnings, to the little white lie. Now that is love.sm

Tallen · Mar 6, 2012

pdudgeon said:
no, but perhaps you were wrong in bringing your arguement with what he believes here to this forum, and expecting us to be held accountable for his statements

So the next time a wofist brings up Calvin or Luther or any other non wof person and wants someone to account for their words and actions, we can expect you to be the first one to speak out against it. Right?

Secondly, there are leaders and teachers in the wof sect that have taught these things, many of them. It is proper to bring these teachings to light as there are many who follow them and call themselves wof. As hard as the individual wofist tries to make themselves the authority and spokesperson for all wof, it is an eclectic group of people who are defined by certain doctrines and teachings, whether they all agree or not.

It's funny, to me at least, that when some wof leader or teacher doesn't agree with any individual wofist that they try and distance themselves from that teacher. And then turn around and mention Calvin when their own theology is examined, as though the person examining the wofist is persecuting them in some manner. It is this double standard that makes the wofist the best critic of the wof religion.

dollarsbill · Mar 6, 2012

Simon Peter said:
I agree, it is rather odd. I'm not WoF, and have never been WoF, but even I know that Kenyon, Hagin and Copeland have taught very similar versions of JDS.

I haven't even mentioned the worst part of the doctrine. I don't even know if I should mention it here. It's pretty scary.

Tallen · Mar 6, 2012

Laura Phillips said:
He did die spiritually.

He did!?! Where does scripture say that?

dollarsbill · Mar 6, 2012

Tallen said:
He did!?! Where does scripture say that?

I think JDS is total myth.

Simon Peter · Mar 6, 2012

dollarsbill said:
I haven't even mentioned the worst part of the doctrine. I don't even know if I should mention it here. It's pretty scary.

I assume you are refering to Copeland's claim that Jesus was raped?

peace,
Simon

Tallen · Mar 6, 2012

dollarsbill said:
I think JDS is total myth.

I agree db. A teaching built upon the traditions of men.

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. (Colossians 2:8, KJV)

Laura Phillips · Mar 6, 2012

oh my sunday school teacher told me that. Jesus was truly innocent, but he died the death of a criminal because people could call on his sacrifice and his blood to cover their sins. He did the death of a sinner, without deserving it one bit. That is what Cindi Holland taught me how I miss her!

Laura Phillips · Mar 6, 2012

Im most glad jesus is immortal and ressurected and with us because it would have made me angry if after he did all that, he didn't get to stick around to see the wonders that his love caused to fall upon this earth.

Laura Phillips · Mar 6, 2012

better every day.....
come lord jesus!!!!!!!!

Laura Phillips · Mar 6, 2012

e pluribus unum

plur!

dollarsbill · Mar 6, 2012

Simon Peter said:
I assume you are refering to Copeland's claim that Jesus was raped?

Oh my. I hadn't heard that one.

importunity · Mar 6, 2012

Simon Peter said:
I assume you are refering to Copeland's claim that Jesus was raped?

peace,
Simon

REALLY? He said Jesus was RAPED, like sexually? Give me a break SHOW ME. Because I dion't believe you!

Simon Peter · Mar 6, 2012

importunity said:
REALLY? He said Jesus was RAPED, like sexually? Give me a break SHOW ME. Because I dion't believe you!

Kenneth Copeland:

"Let me tell you something folks. Anybody in here that's ever been sexually abused, listen to me right now. Listen to me very carefully. The bible's very careful about the way it says these things. But down there in that dungeon, Romans, ungodly men, ungodly men, put him (Jesus) to every kind of abuse that you can think of. There is no sin that Jesus didn't bare. There is no thing, there is no such thing as a sexual abuse on somebody that Jesus doesn't know firsthand what it's all about. He's been where you are, I don't care what you've been through, Jesus has been through it. And everything's done to him that we we couldn't even speak of."

The Resurrection Truth, audiotape

And related:

“The righteousness of God was made to be sin. He accepted the sin nature of Satan in His own spirit. And at the moment that He did so, He cried, ‘My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken Me?’ You don’t know what happened at the cross. Why do you think Moses, upon instruction of God, raised the serpent upon that pole instead of a lamb? That used to bug me. I said, ‘Why in the world would you want to put a snake up there — the sign of Satan? Why didn’t you put a lamb on that pole?’ And the Lord said, ‘Because it was a sign of Satan that was hanging on the cross.’ He said, ‘I accepted, in My own spirit, spiritual death; and the light was turned off.”

Kenneth Copeland: What Happened from the Cross to the Throne - 1990 - audiotape #02-0017, side 2

“How did Jesus then on the cross say, ‘My God.’ Because God was not His Father any more. He took upon Himself the nature of Satan. And I’m telling you Jesus is in the middle of that pit. He’s suffering all that there is to suffer, there is no suffering left . . . apart from Him. His emaciated, little wormy spirit is down in the bottom of that thing and the devil thinks He’s got Him destroyed. But, all of a sudden God started talking.”

Kenneth Copeland: Believer’s Voice of Victory TBN - April 21, 1991

“He allowed the devil to drag Him into the depths of hell as if He were the most wicked sinner who ever lived … Every demon in hell came down on Him to annihilate Him … [They] tortured Him beyond anything that anybody has ever conceived … In a thunder of spiritual force, the voice of God spoke to the death-whipped, broken, punished spirit of Jesus … [in] the pit of destruction, and charged the spirit of Jesus with resurrection power! Suddenly His twisted, death-wracked spirit began to fill out and come back to life … He was literally being reborn before the devil’s very eyes. He began to flex His spiritual muscles … Jesus Christ dragged Satan up and down the halls of hell … Jesus … was raised up a born-again man … The day I realized that a born-again man had defeated Satan, hell, and death, I got so excited … !”

Kenneth Copeland: The Price of it All - Believer’s Voice of Victory - September 1991 - p. 4

“In hell He [Jesus] suffered for you and for me. The Bible says hell was made for Satan and his angels. It was not made for men. Satan was holding the Son of God there illegally … The trap was set for Satan and Jesus was the bait.”

Kenneth Copeland:Walking in the Realm of the Miraculous - 1979 - p. 77

importunity · Mar 6, 2012

Simon Peter said:
Kenneth Copeland:

"Let me tell you something folks. Anybody in here that's ever been sexually abused, listen to me right now. Listen to me very carefully. The bible's very careful about the way it says these things. But down there in that dungeon, Romans, ungodly men, ungodly men, put him (Jesus) to every kind of abuse that you can think of. There is no sin that Jesus didn't bare. There is no thing, there is no such thing as a sexual abuse on somebody that Jesus doesn't know firsthand what it's all about. He's been where you are, I don't care what you've been through, Jesus has been through it. And everything's done to him that we we couldn't even speak of."

The Resurrection Truth, audiotape

Dude, He NEVER SAID JESUS WAS RAPED. Those are YOUR WORDS FROM YOUR INTERPRETATION of what he said.

I'll tell you what, I'll ask him.

dollarsbill · Mar 7, 2012

importunity said:
Dude, He NEVER SAID JESUS WAS RAPED. Those are YOUR WORDS FROM YOUR INTERPRETATION of what he said.

I'll tell you what, I'll ask him.

I think you're 'splitting hairs'.

"I don't care what you've been through, Jesus has been through it. And everything's done to him that we we couldn't even speak of."

importunity · Mar 7, 2012

dollarsbill said:
I think you're 'splitting hairs'.

"I don't care what you've been through, Jesus has been through it. And everything's done to him that we we couldn't even speak of."

No, I read what he wrote. It's pretty clear that Copeland NEVER said Jesus was Raped... That's just perverted interpretation. It sounds demonic to me. For someone to say that without it being clearly stated is absolute ludicrous.

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