JDS, What Does It Mean?

dollarsbill · Feb 23, 2012

Tallen said:
Because they killed Him spiritually, making Him no more than a fallen human being separated from His own divine nature and in need of the new birth.

Silly isn't it.

If Jesus had to be born again from sin then how could He die for sinners???

Tallen · Feb 23, 2012

dollarsbill said:
If Jesus had to be born again from sin then how could He die for sinners???

He couldn't. Besides how can Life die?

Simon Peter · Feb 23, 2012

If Jesus became sin/a sinner and died spiritually, who paid the price or died for Jesus' sin?

dollarsbill · Feb 24, 2012

Simon Peter said:
If Jesus became sin/a sinner and died spiritually, who paid the price or died for Jesus' sin?

A GREAT question!

dollarsbill · Feb 25, 2012

Simon Peter said:
If Jesus became sin/a sinner and died spiritually, who paid the price or died for Jesus' sin?

I also equated "became sin/a sinner" before you stated it. Glad someone else sees this.

dollarsbill · Feb 25, 2012

Searching the internet shows that MANY are getting wise to this JDS doctrine. Thank God!

importunity · Feb 28, 2012

dollarsbill said:
Searching the internet shows that MANY are getting wise to this JDS doctrine. Thank God!

Well that settles it, it's on the Internet. It must be true lol

dollarsbill · Feb 29, 2012

importunity said:
Well that settles it, it's on the Internet. It must be true lol

Are you asking for proof? There are several sites that have Kenneth Copeland quotes about JDS. It's pretty scary actually.

importunity · Mar 2, 2012

dollarsbill said:
Are you asking for proof? There are several sites that have Kenneth Copeland quotes about JDS. It's pretty scary actually.

I could care less. I know what the Word has to
say. As far as the Internet,, that's a joke. Kind of like wikipedia...

dollarsbill · Mar 2, 2012

importunity said:
I could care less.

It's about salvation. What is more important?

importunity · Mar 2, 2012

dollarsbill said:
It's about salvation. What is more important?

that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the Scripture says, Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame. (Romans 10:9-11 NKJV)

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. (John 3:16, 17 NKJV)

JDS or NOT is not the issue. The issue is the death burial and resurrection, when it comes to being saved. What I believe verses what you believe on what happened between the cross and the throne is not a salvation issue. You believe the scriptures say one thing I believe they say something else. BUT when it comes to salvation, we are to believe in our heart AND confess with our mouth the Lord Jesus.

dollarsbill · Mar 2, 2012

importunity said:
JDS or NOT is not the issue.

It is indeed the issue. If Jesus was born again from sin then He cannot be our Saviour. A sinner can't die for sinners.

pdudgeon · Mar 2, 2012

the odd thing here is that we have brothers and sisters in Christ walking all around this issue, saying what the Bible says about it, and yet the import of what they themselves are saying or reading still remains hidden from them in plain sight.

I think the WOF here have done our best to explain what JDS means, but those who question it may not yet be ready to accept the answers that are available to them.

Those answers open up a whole new dimension when it comes to understanding what Jesus went thru for us. And when that dimension opens up on Jesus, it likewise opens up on our own sin--giving us a deeper understanding of how vast and deep are the effects of sin on us, and a true valuation of how God sees sin.

and in our understanding, we are also faced with the depth and width and height and the full measure of Jesus' unbelievable suffering on our behalf. that He who knew no sin, became sin for us. He was aquainted with our grief, He bore our chastisement, and our iniquity was upon Him. All of these things He experienced in their fullness because of His great love for us.

maybe acknowledging our own willful part in the sin and it's effect on Jesus is what makes it so difficult for us to comprehend His willingness and His acceptance for our sake.

dollarsbill · Mar 2, 2012

pdudgeon said:
I think the WOF here have done our best to explain what JDS means, but those who question it may not yet be ready to accept the answers that are available to them.

And I will NEVER accept that Jesus was born again from sin.

pdudgeon · Mar 2, 2012

dollarsbill said:
And I will NEVER accept that Jesus was born again from sin.

but that's not what we are saying. go back in the thread and look to see who did say that. It won't be a WOF.

it's what others who are not WOF have said, and you have concluded from what they said, that we WOF believed it.
so in saying that you will never accept that Jesus was born again from sin you are on very safe ground, because we don't say that and the bible doesn't say that either.

we WOF agree with the CF Statement of Faith, found here:
http://www.christianforums.com/rules/#faq_rule_0

and nowhere does that statement say that Jesus was born again from sin.

dollarsbill · Mar 2, 2012

pdudgeon said:
but that's not what we are saying. go back in the thread and look to see who did say that. It won't be a WOF.

it's what others who are not WOF have said, and you have concluded from what they said, that we WOF believed it.
so in saying that you will never accept that Jesus was born again from sin you are on very safe ground, because we don't say that and the bible doesn't say that either.

Perhaps I was wrong in assuming that Kenneth Copeland is WOF?

pdudgeon · Mar 2, 2012

dollarsbill said:
Here is a video of Kenneth Copeland saying about Jesus, "He was the first man to ever be born again from sin, sickness, demons, death to life."

Kenneth Copeland - Jesus was born again!!?? - Today's Christian Videos

dollarsbill said:
Perhaps I was wrong in assuming that Kenneth Copeland is WOF?

no, but perhaps you were wrong in bringing your arguement with what he believes here to this forum, and expecting us to be held accountable for his statements

we will gladly answer for our own statements and beliefs, but you really should contact him for his explaination.

dollarsbill · Mar 2, 2012

pdudgeon said:
no, but perhaps you were wrong in bringing your arguement with what he believes here to this forum, and expecting us to be held accountable for his statements

Fine, but I don't recall you speaking out against Jesus being 'born again'.

we will gladly answer for our own statements and beliefs,

All you had to say was that Jesus wasn't born again from sin. Did I miss your statement?

but you really should contact him for his explaination.

Or maybe YOU should, since you seem to be defending Copeland.

Simon Peter · Mar 3, 2012

dollarsbill said:
And I will NEVER accept that Jesus was born again from sin.

pdudgeon said:
but that's not what we are saying. go back in the thread and look to see who did say that. It won't be a WOF.

it's what others who are not WOF have said, and you have concluded from what they said, that we WOF believed it.
so in saying that you will never accept that Jesus was born again from sin you are on very safe ground, because we don't say that and the bible doesn't say that either.

we WOF agree with the CF Statement of Faith, found here:
http://www.christianforums.com/rules/#faq_rule_0

and nowhere does that statement say that Jesus was born again from sin.

Here's the relevent section of the Statement of Faith of WoF here at CF:

12. We believe Jesus, in His life and ministry on earth, demonstrated God's perfect will for the earth in all matters for all time. He was made to be sin for us, and was spiritually separated from the presence of the Father on the cross in our place; He descended into hell, was raised up by God the Father, loosed from the pains of death, and was the firstborn from the dead.

(John 14:9-12, 2 Corinthians 5:21, Matthew 27:46, Mark 15:34, Acts 2:24, Colossians 1:18)

dollarsbill said:
Fine, but I don't recall you speaking out against Jesus being 'born again'.

All you had to say was that Jesus wasn't born again from sin. Did I miss your statement?

Or maybe YOU should, since you seem to be defending Copeland.

I agree. People within WoF have a greater Biblical responsibility to address the extremism and errors within their own house.

peace,
Simon

dollarsbill · Mar 3, 2012

pdudgeon said:
no, but perhaps you were wrong in bringing your arguement with what he believes here to this forum, and expecting us to be held accountable for his statements

We will not be accountable if we speak out against Jesus being 'born again'.

we will gladly answer for our own statements and beliefs, but you really should contact him for his explaination.

Nobody here knows what Copeland teaches about JDS? That seems quite odd.

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