James White

Caedmon · Mar 12, 2003

Yesterday at 03:37 PM KC Catholic said this in Post #3 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=706217#post706217)

Actually, James White pretty much hates Catholics. His sister converted to Catholicism over a year ago and he vowed never to speak to her again.

That guy's one baaaaad m-... SHUT YO MOUF!!!

Hoonbaba · Mar 12, 2003

Does anyone have a response to any of the quotes I mentioned? 

-Jason

KC Catholic · Mar 12, 2003

Today at 08:50 AM Hoonbaba said this in Post #22

Does anyone have a response to any of the quotes I mentioned? 

-Jason

I think that the fact that Mr. White is a notorious anti-Catholic I see no point in trying to refute his position.

Additionally, you have been around here long enough to know our positions on everything about Catholicism that's every been questioned. I would suggest that you do some research in the previously posted threads and in the FAQs to find those answers.

Not meaning to be rude or unhelpful, but we've covered all his concerns many, many times already.

chelcb · Mar 12, 2003

Beware of how he can not state his position. It all hangs on whether or not he can disprove ours.

Smoke and mirrors.

Gideon4God · Mar 12, 2003

Today at 03:24 PM KC Catholic said this in Post #23

I think that the fact that Mr. White is a notorious anti-Catholic I see no point in trying to refute his position.

Additionally, you have been around here long enough to know our positions on everything about Catholicism that's every been questioned. I would suggest that you do some research in the previously posted threads and in the FAQs to find those answers.

Not meaning to be rude or unhelpful, but we've covered all his concerns many, many times already.

It seems many anti-protestants have a hard time dealing with Dr. Whites well thought out arguments.  If anyone would like to hear his debates some are listed on his site...

http://www.straitgate.com/aom/

chelcb · Mar 12, 2003

Anti Protestants?

Has anybody listed to the Patty Bond conversion story yet?

KC Catholic · Mar 12, 2003

Today at 09:47 AM Gideon4God said this in Post #25

It seems many anti-protestants have a hard time dealing with Dr. Whites well thought out arguments.  If anyone would like to hear his debates some are listed on his site...

http://www.straitgate.com/aom/

Hi Gideon4God -

I don't appreciate your comment that we here are "Anti-Protestant" nor do we appreciate drive-by posters. We have covered Mr. White in this thread and have the links.

This is not a debate forum and if you need them I will be glad to forward the rules for this particular forum.

Peace be with you.

Gideon4God · Mar 12, 2003

Pray for me a sinner.

SoldierofChrist · Mar 12, 2003

I find it quite interesting how Catholics have no problem calling Protestants who are devoted to truth and the proclaimation of it, "anti-Catholic," when they sit here and redicule someone who has enough conviction to devote his life to the defense of the faith. I suppose I'm anti-Catholic too, then. But, doesn't that make you all anti-Protestant? For if you are not, then why do you spend so much time attacking Protestant claims on this board? I suppose you are all anti-James White then. You believe that Romanism is the truth, and I've heard enough ad-hominem from nyj, and some others that would lead me to believe Catholics on here are anti-Protestant. It obviously clouds your mind up when responding to some of us, as is evident from some of your posts.

Chelcb, why don't you hear James White's side of the story. He has a couple radio programs dedicated to his sisters appearance on EWTN. You probably won't but that's fine. Just accept Patty Bond's side of the story because she's Catholic, and that's all that matters, even if she is stretching the truth. I bet all of you haven't even read one of his books, or seriously sat down and read some of his articles with an open mind. Perhaps those Catholics that he is in discussion with are in serious error, even according to the Roman church. I applaud the patience that James has with some of the likes of Brother John Mary, and some others.

I find it quite disturbing that someone is rediculed for having a love for truth. It seems Mitchell Pacwa, respected by some if not all of you, has a decent relationship with Mr. White. I wonder why? Probably because he doesn't run around calling him anti-Catholic and throwing all this ad-hominem argumentation at him which just proves the lack of maturity and Christ-like love in some of the Catholic apologists that face him.

I would suggest any one of you that is so seriously interested in the personal life of others (sounds like gossip to me) to write an e-mail to James themself and stop spreading rumors and one-sided stories to the folks on this site.

Wolseley · Mar 12, 2003

Dave Armstrong's superlative site, http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZINDEX.HTM, has several debates between White and different Catholic apologists. Use the search engine on the site, and have fun.

nyj · Mar 12, 2003

Today at 08:50 AM Hoonbaba said this in Post #22 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=707855#post707855)
Does anyone have a response to any of the quotes I mentioned? 

Hmmm, I guess my reply to the first one wasn't good enough eh?

Glad to see I wasted my time.

chelcb · Mar 12, 2003

SofC

Post them and I will listen to them.

First know this; the man is not defending his position he is trying to tare ours down, that is why we say anti catholic.

nyj · Mar 12, 2003

Today at 10:18 AM SoldierofChrist said this in Post #29 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=708009#post708009)

I suppose you are all anti-James White then. You believe that Romanism is the truth, and I've heard enough ad-hominem from nyj, and some others that would lead me to believe Catholics on here are anti-Protestant.

Soldier,
Do you even know what ad hominem is?

Here is ad hominem...

You sleep with goats, therefore any comments you have on Christianity are worthless because you are a filthy sodomist.

THAT is ad hominem, and it is not something I employed against you. I dare you to find one single instance where I attacked you rather than your arguments. I addressed every single point in your post, from Augustine's "symbolic interpretation" of "This is my Body" to Dr. Shaff's assertion that Augustine didn't believe in the Real Presence. In all the things I addressed, you have either remained silent or recapitulated. Yes, I accused you of lifting portions of your argument against the Real Presence from Mr. James White, and I stand by that assertion. Don't make me pull out his talks/books on the Eucharist to prove my point. Calling Pope Gelasius' statement "embarassing"? That's James White speak, I noticed it from the second I laid eyes on it.

chelcb · Mar 12, 2003

I suppose you are all anti-James White then. You believe that Romanism is the truth, and I've heard enough ad-hominem from nyj, and some others that would lead me to believe Catholics on here are anti-Protestant.

Why because we don't take take your word for it, because we stick with historical facts?

Wolseley · Mar 12, 2003

*sigh*

People, can we all just get along here?

*Wols signs off and goes in search of Excedrin*

SoldierofChrist · Mar 12, 2003

I was just trying to prove a point, chelcb. I don't agree with you regarding what you call "historical facts," I was never suggesting that you take my word for it.

Here is the link to the realaudio section of James' site: http://www.straitgate.com/aom/

if you scroll down to February 16, 2002; August 3, 2002; October 26, 2002; I believe those are the three programs he addresses the appearance of his sister on EWTN. There you go.

nyj: Ad-hominem as defined by the American Heritage dictionary is: "An attack on one's opponent regarding the person's character..." Claiming that I rip people's pages out of books sounds like an attack on my character, is that not plagiarism? That's certainly attack by any use of the word. I do not need to further discuss this with you, nyj.

SoldierofChrist · Mar 12, 2003

P.S. I documented what I borrowed from James White, see it for yourself.

nyj · Mar 12, 2003

Today at 10:18 AM SoldierofChrist said this in Post #29 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=708009#post708009)

Perhaps those Catholics that he is in discussion with are in serious error, even according to the Roman church. I applaud the patience that James has with some of the likes of Brother John Mary, and some others.

Brother John Mary isn't even Catholic. The guy is a bit ummm, loopy and claims to worship Mary. That wouldn't make him Catholic, even James White himself says that... so don't try to associate Catholics with BJM, please!

Could I ever be accused of being "anti-Protestant"? I'm sure the label has fit me more than once in my time spent on the internet. No use in denying it. I have a temper, I often times let it get out of control. However, I'd like to think that that is more a thing of the past than a problem of the present.

When do I use the term "anti-Catholic"? I don't try to use it very often, but I think it's clear when people are. If someone refers to me as a "papist" or a "romanist" or "romish"... that's a clear sign of prejudice... those are derogatory terms. I'm not a papist, I'm a Catholic. The KKK calls Catholics "papists"... do you think they're kind people? Would you like to have your children hang out at their functions? I doubt you would.

nyj · Mar 12, 2003

Today at 11:07 AM SoldierofChrist said this in Post #36 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=708150#post708150)

nyj: Ad-hominem as defined by the American Heritage dictionary is: "An attack on one's opponent regarding the person's character..." Claiming that I rip people's pages out of books sounds like an attack on my character, is that not plagiarism? That's certainly attack by any use of the word. I do not need to further discuss this with you, nyj.

SoldierofChrist:

On the thread started by CP, you said this:

I accept your simple challenge to find any doubt in the Roman Catholic Eucharist, consider these embarassing words from Pope Galasius:

quote:
"The sacrament of the body and blood of Christ, which we receive, is a divine thing, because by it we are made partakers of the divine-nature. Yet the substance or nature of the bread and wine does not cease. And assuredly the image and the similitude of the body and blood of Christ are celebrated in the performance of the mysteries."

On Jame White's website ( http://www.aomin.org/MarkandTim.htm ), notice the following:

It seems historians do not share Tim's viewpoint, and for good reason._ We could cite from Tertullian and Theodoret and many others, but the most embarrassing for the Roman apologist who makes such claims has to be these words from Pope Gelasius of Rome in his work against Eutyches and Nestorius:

quote:
The sacrament of the body and blood of Christ, which we receive, is a divine thing, because by it we are made partakers of the divine-nature. Yet the substance or nature of the bread and wine does not cease. And assuredly the image and the similitude of the body and blood of Christ are celebrated in the performance of the mysteries.

You must realize that plagiarism extends beyond mere copy/paste word for word. It is lifting someone else's ideas and presenting them as one's own. When I said I noticed James White's style in your comments (ie: calling Pope Gelasius' comments embarassing), I meant it. I was right. You have commited plagiarism Soldier, the proof is in the pudding. You have taken James White's argument and his style, and presented it as your own. That is plagiarism.

SoldierofChrist · Mar 12, 2003

Relax, nyj. I never meant to be derogatory when I say the term "Romanist," anymore than someone would call someone a "Calvinist." Calling you Catholic isn't as descriptive, since Catholic simply means universal, Roman Catholic is too long, so I just resorted to saying "Romanist." I apologize if that offends you, but it best describes the religion you adhere to. I wouldn't resort to calling you "Romish," or a "papist," or whatever the case may be. Calling me a plagiarist (though not out-right, but making it clear you thought so) and someone with the character of Bill Clinton is derogatory enough, how about we leave name-calling out of our discussion?

Also, if you read my post again, you'll realize that I never called Brother John Mary a Catholic, I was simply making a comment that James handles himself professionally when dealing with such people, that's all. Don't try to read more into what I state just because you are angry with me.

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