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And what about "Every knee shall bow..."
Would this not mean, all will ultamately repent?
It was on a DVD called "The Grain offering".
I'll see if I can find it online....
It's either skunk or goat....Danny777 has the DVD in question!
That is obviously incorrect though isn't it?
Did Aleister Crowley repent?
Danny777, can you confirm what the DVD is called? I'd like to hear this statement for myself in context. I have located "The Grain Offering" on Prasch's website but don't want to buy the wrong DVD.
Though I would love to discuss your "wishful thinking", Ian.
Regards,
Mike
True, but you didn't read my post properly. The act of putting water on a babies head is neither here nor there. If, in the process of putting water on the babies head, you claim the baby is saved - that IS a false gospel (is it not?).
But you are quite happy for Jacob Prasch to say it? Or is it unbiblical of him to do so?Whether those who teach this are raised up by Satan or just making serious mistakes, I cannot say.
The topic of this thread is Jacob Prasch - not infant baptism.
I have repeatedly asked you for examples of how Jacob Prasch teaches false doctrine - you haven't provided a SINGLE example. A character assassination is NOT sufficient (you have done a excellent job on this) - HOW does he teach false doctrine? This is the main way we should assess the faithfulness of any Bible teacher.
Some people will like him, others won't - at least we can all conclude Jacob Prasch IS a sound Bible teacher...
Perish can easily fit in to the traditional Christian view of Hell/ everlasting torment.....
2 Peter 3:7 says "But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men."
The word 'perdition' means "perish" or "come to ruin", and here it is used in the context of judgement, a term that implies consciousness.
Perdition/ perish does not equate to annihilation.
Jesus described hell as a dump where fire would not cease and a persons resurrected body would not be consumed.
If you take something to a scrap yard or rubbish dump it perishes in the sense of it becomes ruined, but the item in the rubbish dump still exists - just in a ruined state
Yes, that is digestable,
What James Jacob says about the annihilation of the memory, thnk there is plenty of backing for.
I know not a single paedo-baptist who holds to baptismal regeneration and your strawman version of paedobaptism is laughable.
Danny777, can you confirm what the DVD is called? I'd like to hear this statement for myself in context. I have located "The Grain Offering" on Prasch's website but don't want to buy the wrong DVD.
I know not a single paedo-baptist who holds to baptismal regeneration and your strawman version of paedobaptism is laughable.
But you are quite happy for Jacob Prasch to say it? Or is it unbiblical of him to do so?
If he is so sound then why does he not submit himself to the biblical teaching of respecting your Christian brethren? Why does he claim that Satan is responsible for raising up other Christian teachers who happen to hold to different doctrinal positions when he could never know that?
To be honest, I can't remember which DVD this comment was made in. I will re-watch "The Grain Offering" over the next few days and let you know if it was that one.
I imagine you would be able to find this talk on youtube - many of his talks are downloaded there...
To be honest, I can't remember which DVD this comment was made in. I will re-watch "The Grain Offering" over the next few days and let you know if it was that one.
I imagine you would be able to find this talk on youtube - many of his talks are downloaded there...
I think it actually the Jehoiada the High Priest DVD mate?
Lets try and move on from the fact that calling someone a "senile old skunk" is wrong. You think its wrong and so do I. Should I now refuse to listen to any of his teachings because of a flippant and regrettable remark?
Do you believe Satan raises up teachers WITHIN the church? If so, what would you do about it - keep quiet and let them run riot?!
The question remains who is to be the judge of deceptive teaching?
We all bring stuff when we formulate our theological positions. I would think that all of us who contributed in this thread have a good Biblical basis for what they believe. Who am I to say you are wrong? Who are you to say I am wrong? Without breaking into discussion of the topics, eternal torment, anhilism and Christian universalism is a good example, because their supporters all have a Biblical basis. All three have had supporters throughout church history. Most of us here will disagree with two of them.
So surely, the best you or I can do is to humbly say: "I don't agree with that because ...."
Surely, anything else is pride, regardless of the scale of one's ministry.
So surely, the best you or I can do is to humbly say: "I don't agree with that because ...."
We can be the judges of deceptive teaching using the Bible as our authority - NOT our own authority.
I am talking here of "false gospels". If someone claims EVERYONE goes to heaven regardless of what they believe, this IS a false gospel! What would be the point of Jesus Christ coming to earth, enduring unimaginable suffering on our behalf and telling us we need to go through HIM for salvation if it didn't matter at all in the end what we believe?!
When something is NOT clear in Scripture, we are at liberty to have our own views. I really believe that this is often abused though. For example, is it very difficult to make a case for universalism from Bible texts without blatantly ignoring the huge majority of texts on this issue and taking other totally out of context. If someone inside the church claims everyone is going to heaven (if in fact it turns out they are not), can you imagine how serious the repercussions of that error are?! Surely, its not good enough as simply say its OK to have different views on this - they could be leading many people to hell! Is it really "loving" to describe this as a side issue when the consequences of getting it wrong are so high and Jesus statements on this issue are so clear?
And there is another issue - you misunderstand one of the topics. Its not really your fault, tradition and mouthy preachers have it labelled as being heretical, but actually, it have a biblical basis. To the point that it should in my opinion, be accepted as a legitimate doctrine, in my opinion, and the opinion of many thoughout Church history.
To the point that it should in my opinion, be accepted as a legitimate doctrine, in my opinion, and the opinion of many thoughout Church history.
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