James 5:14 and the anointing with oil

[Dmckay]

There is one more possibilitie: what the Church calles Elders is flawed. The elders that James is talking about are the elderly men of the Churchs. The Elders that are ordanined by God and set in the Church by the Holy Spirit are the elderly men in the Church which are 50yr. old and older that meet the qualifications.
I think it is fifty, couldn't find my notes and hadn't got time to look it up. The Aaron priesthood started their service at age 30 and quit temple service at age fifty I think. At that age they could be appointed to the Sanhedrin Court. Even thoe as hard as some try to deny the Church is paterned after the Aaron priesthood she is
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The only time I have seen the true Elders anoint with oil, lay hands on and pray for a sick person. He was divinly healed. And BTW it is well documented.

When your time is up it is up.

Grammatically, this is incorrect. Presbuteros (elder) while it has a meaning of comparative degree dealing with age and is often used adjectivally for an older man it has a different meaning or application when used in the Church. In the Church it is used as an umbrella term for those who, being raised up and qualified by the work of the Holy Spirit, have been appointed to the spiritual care of, and to exercise oversight over those in the church. This is used of pastors, deacons and bishops. This is the reason that many Bible Churches today are calling for Elder rule.

 

[Ave Maria]

I think that annointing with oil is an awesome sacrament. I don't mean sacrament as in being required for salvation because I believe that only a belief in Jesus is required for salvation. But annointing with oil is an awesome practice. I often do it on myself since I have no church.

 

[Psalm40]

Also remember James wrote this letter to scattered Jewish believers. He was calling them to service and ministry to each others needs. This is not about healing of the sick, it's about prayer and trusting in the Lord. And it's especially true for these that can no longer depend on the rich Jews now that they have turned to Christ. The first part of the chapter sets this up.

The anointing is prayer, the oil is something they were taught from old ways, Answered prayers was the new thing. James was seeking to be patient in waiting on the Lord and ADD prayer to an already old custom. Then He says it's the prayer that works!
15 And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven.

So you're saying that the people James addressed didn't believe before in trusting God and in answered prayer, and praying for the sick and dying and trusting God would grant their prayers was some new concept to the Jews? I beg to differ! Read the OT! (Sorry, I am not debating...)

 

[eldermike]

So you're saying that the people James addressed didn't believe before in trusting God and in answered prayer, and praying for the sick and dying and trusting God would grant their prayers was some new concept to the Jews? I beg to differ! Read the OT! (Sorry, I am not debating...)

Differ all you want, they did not beleive in Jesus, things changed, read NT.

 

[MbiaJc]

Grammatically, this is incorrect. Presbuteros (elder) while it has a meaning of comparative degree dealing with age and is often used adjectivally for an older man it has a different meaning or application when used in the Church. In the Church it is used as an umbrella term for those who, being raised up and qualified by the work of the Holy Spirit, have been appointed to the spiritual care of, and to exercise oversight over those in the church. This is used of pastors, deacons and bishops. This is the reason that many Bible Churches today are calling for Elder rule.

Not so, Elder means exactly what it says. The definition you are giving it is what these modern day professional, one man pastoral authority, seminary boys would have everyone to think. And by the way there is no Spiritual gift of Pastor except in the Elders. They should be apointed to the office of Bishop.