James 5:14-15 - How do You do It?

[ACADEMIC]

This post is an offshoot of the the thread at http://www.christianforums.com/t3321192. This post is reiterated but exanded some in post #24 at that thread.

Most have read this Scripture before:

Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer of faith will save the sick, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven (James 5:14-15).

In your experience and tradition, how has this passage been practiced? Maybe describe a specific scenario, to illustrate.

 

[Athanasian Creed]

My mom, in the early 70's was healed of a brain tumor as a result of doing as James directed in those verses. And the prayer was lead by a Baptist minister and the church elders!

Even the doctor had to admit that the tumor, which had been confirmed present, the size of a peach pit was no longer there. My mom had a wonderful opportunity to explain to the doctor just how this miracle occurred!



Ray

 

[ACADEMIC]

...as James directed in those verses.

Hi Ath. Can you explain a bit more about what you mean by the above quote? What exactly did the elders do?

 

[Athanasian Creed]

Hi Ath. Can you explain a bit more about what you mean by the above quote? What exactly did the elders do?

As i was only 11 years old, details are a little sketchy (although i do remember most of it)

My mom had been diagnosed with a malignant tumor. We were attending a Baptist church at the time and my mom approached the pastor regarding her situation and the verses in James. He said that he'd never had such a request but, because it was in the word of God, he would do it. He assembled all the elders of the church who came over to our house - LOL, come to think about it, they didn't even have olive oil (normally used) so they used ordinary cooking oil! We gathered around her and layed hands on her. The pastor prayed a simple prayer that God's perfect will would be done and that he was doing this in obedience to His word according to James 5. That was it.

The next week, my mom went back to see the specialist who medically confirmed that the tumor had vanished and was told by my mom it was a miracle of God!

I'm convinced God healed her as a result of the pastors and elders, stepping out, as it were, in faith, not having done such a thing ever before.


Ray

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Yahshua said "...like a little child..."
on purpose.
not "like a scholar" . nor "like a specialist". nor (especially) "like a lawyer".

but "...like a little child..."


simply obey.
the First Sign to follow believers abiding in Yahshua is "they cast out demons". simple, true, pure, G_dly, G_d's Doing.
(there are legions of emons veryhere in the society, and the only Name they fear and flee is His)
many times in Scriptrure healing followed or accompanied
casting out demons. same today, but not in any church on tv(they don't stand up to testing by scripture).

 

[DanJudge]

This post is an offshoot of the the thread at http://www.christianforums.com/t3321192. This post is reiterated but exanded some in post #24 at that thread.

Most have read this Scripture before:


In your experience and tradition, how has this passage been practiced? Maybe describe a specific scenario, to illustrate.

ACADEMIC,Brothers/Sisters, To All Who Seek The Truth, This is part of a chapter from the "Little Book" of Revelation chapter 10.

The Church in the Bible does not exist
today!

Don't let the Rich Man in Religion Play with Your Mind.

His Body does, which is a makeup of All the elect --- Which are the Poor of all the earth.

So the Scripture says, “Hasn’t God chosen the poor people out of the world, those being rich in faith and so heirs of the Kingdom that He has promised for the ones who love Him? But you have despised the poor people! Don’t the rich oppress you? And they drag you into the courts. Don’t they blaspheme the good Name that is called on you?” (James 2:5-7). And again, “They spend their days in wealth, and in a moment go down to the grave. Therefore they say to God, ‘Depart from us, for we desire not the knowledge of Your ways’ ” (Job 21:13-14).

ON THE NATURE OF INSPIRATION​

There are, according to the witness of explicit verses, three levels or degrees of inspiration, two of which were utilized in the giving of the Scripture. Of the first the Lord said, “Blessed by the Spirit are the poor people, because the Kingdom of the Heavens belongs to them” (Matthew 5:3). And so every poor man on the surface of the planet does receive the guidance and inspiration of the Holy Spirit which witnesses to him, though in non-verbal form, all those truths, however infrequently confessed by word, recognized as self-evident in the heart by the whole of the lower class, children of the Kingdom, be they ever so alien and therefore ludicrous or repugnant to the children of the evil one. And of this type is the witness of I Peter 4:6, “For this very reason is the Gospel preached also to those who are dead, so that they, though having been judged according to the judgment of men through the flesh, might yet live according to the will of God through the Spirit” — for those who, having been predestined to be conformed to His image, are found like Him in this world (Romans 8:29; I John 4:17), being of the lower class and so children of the Kingdom and its heirs, already having the true form of the Gospel written on their hearts but without words, will accept it, recognizing it as the same as the inward witness always known to them, whenever they find it presented verbally, and so will become at that point in this life or the next “born again” or “regenerated” by the breaking through to the level of consciousness through the witness now of the word of the Scripture of the message given them of old by the Spirit; and as in I Peter 1:23-25.

The second level is the result of a powerful impulse from that same Spirit, the reception of which automatically transforms the recipient into a prophet. Yet the message from the Hidden World delivered in this manner is given in a non-verbal form and filters through the personality of the prophet involved before being committed to writing, where it can become distorted to some extent by his prior inclination or bias or where elements of his prior education can adhere to it. Of this type was the communication that came to all the prophets of the Old Testament, and all the authors of the New Testament books as well with the sole exception of the apostle John when he received the book of Revelation from the Holy One, the True One. And Paul clearly witnesses of the distinction between this level and that higher one of verbal inspiration to be introduced later at the time of the giving of the perfection of knowledge and prophecy, saying in I Corinthians 13:8-13, “Love will have no end. But whether there are prophecies, they will be done away with; or tongues, they will cease; or knowledge, it will be done away with; because we know partially and we prophesy partially. When that which is perfect comes, however, that which is partial will be done away with. When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I did away with childish things. For now we see things enigmatically through a looking glass; but then face to face. I know now partially; but then I will know fully, just as I am fully known. So there remain faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.”

BUT THEY HAD ALL THINGS COMMON

Recognizing that the ancient ministers, bishops and so on were appointed by the laying on of the hands of the apostles and through the gift of prophecy, and that with the taking up of the church from the earth in the year 98 A.D. with the martyrdom of the last apostle, John, and the subsequent universal spread of the rule of the composite antichrist over the Christian world, the chain of legitimate ecclesiastical authority was broken and cannot now or ever be restored, and so there can be no human fount or repository of authority in the restored church of the last days, but only the authority of the Scripture for itself but not delegated to human intermediaries, and the revelation of the mind of the Holy Spirit.


Thus the book of Revelation, in which we find written out for us in unmistakable detail the course that history has in fact taken and the institutional forms that have in fact arisen during so many ages as have passed since its giving, emerges as the apex of the whole prophetic process and as the lens through which all concepts and predictions of the whole Bible are to be observed and analyzed and as the touchstone by which they are to be measured, in which the Old Testament latter-day prophecies are reapplied to the group of the true elect and purified of their Israelite and Judean nationalist discoloration, and in which thewhole eschatological content of the remainder of the New Testament is structured and ordered.

Great and marvelous are Your works, Lord God Almighty!
Just and true are Your ways, O King of the nations!
Who will not fear You, Lord, and glorify Your Name?
For You alone are the Holy One.
For all nations will come and worship before You
because Your judgments have been revealed!

Revelation 15:3-4​

—Barry I. Hyman
CHRISTIAN REVOLUTIONARY BROTHERHOOD

Peace be with You All
DanJudge

 

[Athanasian Creed]

What does your babbling have anything to do with the thread 'DanJUDGE'??

Sheesh - start your own diatribe - don't hijack someone else's thread. Learn proper 'net etiquette PLEASE!!!


Ray

 

[DanJudge]

What does your babbling have anything to do with the thread 'DanJUDGE'??

Sheesh - start your own diatribe - don't hijack someone else's thread. Learn proper 'net etiquette PLEASE!!!


Ray

James 5:14-15 - How do You do It?

Ray, What church do you bring him to? Why don't you address the tread?
Ray do you follow the bible or do you follow tradition, which is of the flesh?
The flesh profits nothing, tell us about the bible, not what you recall, thats of the flesh. John 6:63

Quote:
Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer of faith will save the sick, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven (James 5:14-15).

Peace be with You
DanJudge

 

[ACADEMIC]

Looks like that "Christian Reactionary Brotherhood" can get pretty riled at times.

 

[Athanasian Creed]

James 5:14-15 - How do You do It?

Ray, What church do you bring him to? Why don't you address the tread?
Ray do you follow the bible or do you follow tradition, which is of the flesh? ...

Bring 'him' to?? What post of mine are you referring to??

I did address the thread - i replied to the OP in two posts!

What 'traditions' are you speaking of?? And again, respectfully, what in tarnations does any of what you posted in this thread have anything to do with the OP????



Ray