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James 4.11 Anyone who speaks against a brother or sister or judges them speaks against the law and judges it.

What does this mean? How is slandering a brother in Christ judging the Law? I think that in the Law of Moses there were both rules and remedies for breaking those rules. And so, the Law was a guardian to keep people in compliance with the Law through a system of mercy.

Of course, in Christ today, we are no longer under the Law. We've received mercy beyond the Law because the Law could never bring everlasting mercy.

However, did mercy exhibited under the Law teach us not to slander one another? Is this the commandment: "Do not bear false witness against another?"

Is persisting in defying the commandments of the Law a form of "judging the Law?" Is it judging the worth of the Law?
 

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James 4.11 Anyone who speaks against a brother or sister or judges them speaks against the law and judges it.

What does this mean? How is slandering a brother in Christ judging the Law? I think that in the Law of Moses there were both rules and remedies for breaking those rules. And so, the Law was a guardian to keep people in compliance with the Law through a system of mercy.

Of course, in Christ today, we are no longer under the Law. We've received mercy beyond the Law because the Law could never bring everlasting mercy.

However, did mercy exhibited under the Law teach us not to slander one another? Is this the commandment: "Do not bear false witness against another?"

Is persisting in defying the commandments of the Law a form of "judging the Law?" Is it judging the worth of the Law?
If the brother is living according to the law and we criticize him, we make the law out to be corrupt.

“If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.” James 2:8–11 (KJV 1900)

James speaks of the Two Great Commandments = Royal Law. And the Ten Commandments.
 
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Of course, in Christ today, we are no longer under the Law. We've received mercy beyond the Law because the Law could never bring everlasting mercy.

However, did mercy exhibited under the Law teach us not to slander one another? Is this the commandment: "Do not bear false witness against another?"

There is Law wherever there's a need for Mercy.

Matthew 9:11-13 And when the Pharisees saw [it], they said unto His disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners? 12 But when Jesus heard [that], He said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. 13 But go ye and learn what [that] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Osee 6:7 For I will have mercy rather than sacrifice, and the knowledge of God rather than whole-burnt-offerings.LXX

Apparently the Pharisees were considered whole/sinless because of the sacrificial system. But Jesus came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel, because these are the sinners who need to repent.

Mercy follows Law

Isaiah 55:3 Give heed with your ears, and follow My ways: hearken to Me, and your soul shall live in prosperity; and I will make with you an everlasting covenant, the sure mercies of David. It matches John 14:15-17.

James 4:11 might mean this:

Matthew 5:23-24 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
Matthew 5:5 Blessed [are] the humble: for they shall inherit the earth.

Matthew 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
Matthew 5:7 Blessed [are] the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
 
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James 4.11 Anyone who speaks against a brother or sister or judges them speaks against the law and judges it.

What does this mean? How is slandering a brother in Christ judging the Law? I think that in the Law of Moses there were both rules and remedies for breaking those rules. And so, the Law was a guardian to keep people in compliance with the Law through a system of mercy.

Of course, in Christ today, we are no longer under the Law. We've received mercy beyond the Law because the Law could never bring everlasting mercy.

However, did mercy exhibited under the Law teach us not to slander one another? Is this the commandment: "Do not bear false witness against another?"

Is persisting in defying the commandments of the Law a form of "judging the Law?" Is it judging the worth of the Law?

The law leads us to Christ and once one receives Christ as their Lord and savior... then Christ leads them back to the law and the work of the Holy Spirit begins transforming their lives (helping them to overcome sin of which is transgression of the law) .... over the course of their earthly lifetime.

We are not to judge others .... judgement is completely left up to Christ. AMEN!

We will indeed be judged by the law .... but will be covered by the blood of Jesus and deemed innocent. Thank you Jesus!

There is nothing wrong with God's law that He should do away with them!
 
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eleos1954 wrote: We are not to judge others .... judgement is completely left up to Christ. AMEN!




If we are not to judge others, how do we avoid those that are immoral? Or, if in a position of authority within the church, how do you prevent continued sinning by an individual from infecting the flock?
 
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