Jacobs ladder, simulation, what do you feel? The world is a mess

[mindfulzen]

Anybody got this feeling? That you died 5 years ago, and you are walking around in a dead world, till you accept the reality that you are dead and come to terms with it? And take the steps to acend into heaven and see the mighty gates open and see the bright light flow out and embrace you into total bliss. And realize that all our struggles here, all the joys, and all the drugs and other stuff, were just expiriences to teach you lessons your soul needed to learn, before you could enter into the real life. To rid you of all your overreactions in any feelings you were not the master over, in the past life, and now you have perfect peace and are ready to live dispassionate in harmonious bliss with only love overflowing. Every other emotion in balance and check.

Or do you subscribe to what Scott Adams believes, that we are living in a simulation, and perhaps even a simulation, of a simulation, of a simulation, and on and on and on? Which is interesting, but also makes it pointless, and all we can do is to enjoy ourselves while being here. Which is totally opposite of jacobs ladder theory from the bible, and the talmud, but also very much the same. Both result in no fear, dispassion, and personal evolution, regardless if we are a sould, or simply a computerprogram being run in some sort of a supercomputers server, in such a complex system, we can never understand it, or beat the system to find the answer of what it all is. And we are left with a, I do not know conclusion. Can we perhaps collectivise and program together, and end up in some sort of a matrix reality? And seeing as we saw how the Matrix ended, would you even want to? Blissful ignorance, or informed in a desolate world, with famine and all sorts of mess?

If you reply, it would be helpful to state your faith also. Other religion may have other takes. There is some analogous teaching in buddhism I know. Going through pointlessness, living it, to find meaning. Living through hell to get to heaven. Living in darkness to see the light.

 

[Nithavela]

Nah.

 

[Sunshinee777]

I don’t believe in matrix. I do believe in God’s word though. I think this matrix stuff is in same box like all new age teachings.
But I do believe that this world is not true life I believe we never meant to live as we live right now.

 

[mindfulzen]

I don’t believe in matrix. I do believe in God’s word though. I think this matrix stuff is in same box like all new age teachings.
But I do believe that this world is not true life I believe we never meant to live as we live right now.

Did you vote then? Do not be so serious about it, just making some threads with issues that perhaps people have not thought about. I watched Scott adams being interviewed on the fallen state, and he brought up the simulation idea, that if he believed in anything, it would be the closest. And the christian and he did agree on most stuff. And since I have read about Jacobs ladder, which reminded me of the movie called Jacobs ladder, I threw in that one too. Bit inspired by a new movie with ryan reynolds playing in some matrix parody. Movie looks really fun. Must do some leisure too, and put out topics that people of all faiths can join in, so you get a diologue instead of argument. Very interested in finding the commonality among different practicing faithpeople. Since it is so obvious, that a secular society must at least be able to implement those things in society, and people should act that out, at least be able to voice it.

 

[Sunshinee777]

I believe this world is just testing time to separate those who truly follow Jesus and those who not.

 

[mindfulzen]

I believe this world is just testing time to separate those who truly follow Jesus and those who not.

I agree, but not completely. Because in the final step we are supposed to end up in jacobs ladder, and be secure enough and cleansed enough to walk the ladder to heaven. And that is about having no fear, being honest with yourself, leaving behind the life you loved or hated. And moving on without any feelings other than bliss and peace. So, it is kind of linked. So, if I had a voting right in this thread, I would vote for option one.

 

[com7fy8]

to live dispassionate in harmonious bliss with only love overflowing. Every other emotion in balance and check.

Jesus says what to do when we see these things happening >

"'Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near.'" (Luke 21:28)

Very interested in finding the commonality among different practicing faithpeople.

If you are looking up, you are not only ignoring wrong things of this world and trying to make yourself feel good. But we are looking up to our Lord Jesus, for how He will rule our situation, and we are submitting to however our Father rules us in His peace > Colossians 3:15.

So, what we need to do is not self-produced, not only about some theory and philosophy, but in faith we share with God and depend on what He will do about problems and trouble in this world.

So, Christian faith is personal . . . having us personally sharing with God and submitting to Him. Faith, for us, is not only in ideas and methods, then.

But, yes, we are wise not to allow this world's evil and threats to have power over us to make us fear.

But do have compassion > note how Jesus was in Heaven while there was such evil in this world, and Jesus came to us to reach us and bless us and save us from this evil world. But He has us here, for a while, to reach to others and help one another prepare to spend eternity with Jesus . . . looking up in order to do this - - - looking to God for how He is able.

So, if a person's faith does not have him or her attentive first to God, then that faith could be in only some idea and what the person can get oneself to do, instead of being personal with God.

 

[mindfulzen]

Jesus says what to do when we see these things happening >

"'Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near.'" (Luke 21:28)

If you are looking up, you are not only ignoring wrong things of this world and trying to make yourself feel good. But we are looking up to our Lord Jesus, for how He will rule our situation, and we are submitting to however our Father rules us in His peace > Colossians 3:15.

So, what we need to do is not self-produced, not only about some theory and philosophy, but in faith we share with God and depend on what He will do about problems and trouble in this world.

So, Christian faith is personal . . . having us personally sharing with God and submitting to Him. Faith, for us, is not only in ideas and methods, then.

I do not understand what you are trying to guide me to. I got confused by reading it.Seems contradictory, jesus says look up. Then you type that it is wrong to look up and ignore the ills of this world. Then you say, look up again. Not really clear on what it means, to look up. I just took a break from reading verses and thinking them over, to do a philosophical and crossfaith post, about the endtimes, the next life, reincarnation or simulation, and anything goes really. A bit for all to join, without any quarrels among people. And informative for me with this polling on issues, to get to know what demographics are here in the community. Not a topheavy thread for me, I was not thinking of posting verses, but I may read the Jacob ladder stuff later, and make a comment about it. Bit tired and sleepy from reading the bible on blue screen right now. Must take a break.

 

[com7fy8]

Then you type that it is wrong to look up and ignore the ills of this world.

I mean you can look up to Jesus while being aware of things of this world.

I didn't say to ignore this world's things, but do not allow them to have us under their power.

 

[mindfulzen]

I mean you can look up to Jesus while being aware of things of this world.

I didn't say to ignore this world's things, but do not allow them to have us under their power.

That is where dispassion comes into the fray. Does not mean to not feel or have opinions. Means that you are in control of your emotions, and do not let worldly events to put you on an emotional rollercoaster, with deep lows, and high highs. Not get overwhelmed. Stay calm and deal with the situation at hand, or let the situation sort itself out. Offer a hand to hold, and never force others with your hand, never clench it into a fist. Then you remove yourself if such is the dynamic. Jesus never forced himself upon others, he only offered. If you get where I am coming from better with this comment

 

[durangodawood]

Both options reflect our desperation for a unifying story to give the whole thing meaning.

 

[mindfulzen]

Do not forget to vote people

Both options reflect our desperation for a unifying story to give the whole thing meaning.

True, and do not forget to vote. Only 1 person has voted, so 100% agreement on life being a mess.

 

[durangodawood]

Do not forget to vote people

True, and do not forget to vote. Only 1 person has voted, so 100% agreement on life being a mess.

Did it! Do I get a sticker?

 

[Chesterton]

Did it! Do I get a sticker?

Yeah what's up with those little stickers they try and give you nowadays? That's supposed to encourage other people to vote? If any grown adult is only encouraged to vote by a little sticker, that person needs to be kept away from the voting booth.

/off-topic rant

 

[mindfulzen]

Did it! Do I get a sticker?

I do not have any stickers for people who state their individual opinion. But I can make you a ringtone as a reward possibly. A fun little hobby I used to have. If that is allowed and easy to do. Will have to in another thread. Best if done by you, so it falls on you. "Me mad as bleep, me wants my participationtrophy, bleepitybleepblep", or something like that. Must be from some stuff I have on this device or on a cd.

 

[angelsaroundme]

In these type of stories we have the person living in the fake world or with a fake perception and then someone comes to reveal that there is a higher or more authentic reality.

Depending on how you think about it that might sound similar to Christianity. Jesus, the One from Heaven, comes down to Earth to show you that there is somewhere better than Earth and through Him you can get there.

In that lens you could call simulation theory a fantasy version of Christianity or a secularization of Christianity. Either way, I don't see the ideas as incompatible.

 

[Robban]

Anybody got this feeling? That you died 5 years ago, and you are walking around in a dead world, till you accept the reality that you are dead and come to terms with it? And take the steps to acend into heaven and see the mighty gates open and see the bright light flow out and embrace you into total bliss. And realize that all our struggles here, all the joys, and all the drugs and other stuff, were just expiriences to teach you lessons your soul needed to learn, before you could enter into the real life. To rid you of all your overreactions in any feelings you were not the master over, in the past life, and now you have perfect peace and are ready to live dispassionate in harmonious bliss with only love overflowing. Every other emotion in balance and check.

Or do you subscribe to what Scott Adams believes, that we are living in a simulation, and perhaps even a simulation, of a simulation, of a simulation, and on and on and on? Which is interesting, but also makes it pointless, and all we can do is to enjoy ourselves while being here. Which is totally opposite of jacobs ladder theory from the bible, and the talmud, but also very much the same. Both result in no fear, dispassion, and personal evolution, regardless if we are a sould, or simply a computerprogram being run in some sort of a supercomputers server, in such a complex system, we can never understand it, or beat the system to find the answer of what it all is. And we are left with a, I do not know conclusion. Can we perhaps collectivise and program together, and end up in some sort of a matrix reality? And seeing as we saw how the Matrix ended, would you even want to? Blissful ignorance, or informed in a desolate world, with famine and all sorts of mess?

If you reply, it would be helpful to state your faith also. Other religion may have other takes. There is some analogous teaching in buddhism I know. Going through pointlessness, living it, to find meaning. Living through hell to get to heaven. Living in darkness to see the light.

With Jacobs ladder my thoughts go to a few things,

1,a verse Genesis 28:14.
As Christianity has a great commandment so too Judaism, "Uforatzta"

2, If heaven is a place in the sky and the angels are in heaven,


why does it say angels ascended and descended?

Why not angels descending first then ascending?

You know there are many who have several gods and one world,

We have one God and two worlds,

this world and the world to come when the Holy One blessed be He shall renew the face of the earth.

In the meantime as the Rebbe of righteous memory put it, "Change the world through acts of goodness and kindness."

A few lines from "Gate of vision" by Tzvi Freeman,

"Lift your eyes up high---as high as you can gaze, you will rise there.
Unleash them to the stimuli of earthly life and you will descend there."

"Treasure the gateways of your eyes, because they are the entrance to your soul."

It was not the twisted piece of copper or bronze on a pole that healed the moaners and groaners in the desert,
it was by looking up past the snakelike image, as high as they could.

But I do not properly understand the options.