I've been drinking --- So I've got something I want to say.

[Cosmic Charlie]

GOP Makes Good On 2009 Promise To Block President’s Healthcare Bill

WASHINGTON—Telling Americans this was the kind of leadership and accountability they could expect from the GOP, congressional Republicans held a press conference Monday to celebrate making good on their 2009 promise to block the president’s healthcare bill. “Eight years ago, our party made a solemn pledge to do everything in our power to ensure that a healthcare bill put forth by the president of the United States did not become law, and through our actions last week, that is exactly what we have done,” said Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy, who declared that Republican leaders had never forgotten the vow they made almost a decade ago and noted that, when presented earlier this month with a comprehensive healthcare reform plan championed by the White House, they quickly stopped it in its tracks and refused to relent until it was dead. “True to our word, we successfully prevented the executive branch from pushing through a sweeping bill that would have completely remade the U.S. healthcare system. When we said in 2009 that we would not let the president enact a plan that would affect tens of millions of Americans, that was not just empty rhetoric, and on Friday, we stood up and put an end to the president’s bill for good. Voters will not forget our resolute action.” McCarthy went on to add that throughout the remainder of this term, the American people could count on their Republican representatives to uphold the vows they made repeatedly between 2008 and 2016 to obstruct the president’s agenda at every turn.

Ok, I just launched several tablespoons of expensive bourbon and modestly priced vermouth into my computer screen.

 

[Colter]

Do you ever get tired of being the adult in the room? Being on the side of decency and reason, with arguments that amount to more than "you're jealous" and "pmsnbc" and "Adam and Steve"? I kinda do, I admit.

Why do people say that Obamacare is a socialist system instead of simply stating that they have no idea what socialism is? The two statements say the same thing, but one is more humble.

so·cial·ism
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun

• 1.a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.synonyms:leftism, welfarism, radicalism, progressivism, social democracy, communism, Marxism, labor movement.

The ACA effectively took control of the health insurance industry and individual liberty by forcing citizens to buy a product that others are forced to subsidize.

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

Do you ever get tired of being the adult in the room? Being on the side of decency and reason, with arguments that amount to more than "you're jealous" and "pmsnbc" and "Adam and Steve"? I kinda do, I admit.

Why do people say that Obamacare is a socialist system instead of simply stating that they have no idea what socialism is? The two statements say the same thing, but one is more humble.

15,000 hours plus in front of a classroom have taught several lessons in humility, patience and how to impart knowledge and convince people by means of indirect influence.

In cases like this where you seeming think I'm attempt argumentation with someone whom we both know I can't possibly convince, I'm actually speaking to everyone else. They're just a foil I use to make my points for the rest of the board. A debate is judged by the umpires not the participants.

(But the PMSNBC thing was uncalled for - Rachel might by an open lesbian but there's no reason to come after her)

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

so·cial·ism
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun

• 1.a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.synonyms:leftism, welfarism, radicalism, progressivism, social democracy, communism, Marxism, labor movement.

The ACA effectively took control of the health insurance industry using law as well as individuals Liberty by forcing them to buy a product that others are forced to subsidize.

I'm going to try again because I know you're handicapped by an incessant need for one ups mansship without regard to context. And you're likely so driven by that need that you're not actually reading my posts with the intent of understanding them:

You just described "insurance". Buying into something that subsidizes others - that is the definition of "insurance". Nobody took control of anything. You don't even have to BUY the policy if you don't want to. Just pay the $700 a year to partially cover your end of the socialized emergency rooms that have to treat you and your kind and wanggo badango. Your done.

And if you want in your fellow taxpayer will even pay for part of it - in some cases most of it.

I think your liberties are pretty much intact, and the industry is making all kinds of money even with the new regs, so......

.......I think you better think it out again.....

 

[MikeK]

so·cial·ism
/ˈsōSHəˌlizəm/
noun

• 1.a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.synonyms:leftism, welfarism, radicalism, progressivism, social democracy, communism, Marxism, labor movement.

The ACA effectively took control of the health insurance industry and individual liberty by forcing citizens to buy a product that others are forced to subsidize.

How exactly does the ACA control the healthcare industry? Be very specific.

Encouraging the purchase of private goods or services (like insurance) through tax incentives isn't socialism. If it is, then Republicans are socialists several times over.

 

[Colter]

I'm going to try again because I know you're handicapped by an incessant need for one ups mansship without regard to context. And you're likely so driven by that need that you're not actually reading my posts with the intent of understanding them:

You just described "insurance". Buying into something that subsidizes others - that is the definition of "insurance". Nobody took control of anything. You don't even have to BUY the policy if you don't want to. Just pay the $700 a year to partially cover your end of the socialized emergency rooms that have to treat you and your kind and wanggo badango. Your done.

And if you want in your fellow taxpayer will even pay for part of it - in some cases most of it.

I think your liberties are pretty much intact, and the industry is making all kinds of money even with the new regs, so......

.......I think you better think it out again.....

Psychological projection is a common practice with the Left. We are debating, if you see my exposure of your dishonest claims as "handicapped" then perhaps even you should consider an AA meeting instead.

Insurance was working for the responsible who had purchased it. Calculations of risk management don't work when a person waits until they are 50 when they get sick, sign up with the precondition at a cost to the ensurer that discount premiums going forward will never recapture. The policy holders who had been contributing for 30 years are now seeing their premiums skyrocket! The responsible are now paying for years of someone else's irresponsibility. Seems it's you who doesn't understand how insurance works.

This may resonate, suppose you go to buy another bottle of Bourbon. The cashier says that it's now $146 dollars because a new law says they must include 2 additional bottles, 4 mixers, 9 bags of chips, a lawn chair, 3 bras and some plywood. But you don't want that, so they explain that you are a heartless ultright whack job because their are people across town that squandered their resources and only have $1.23 to spend on Bourbon.

 

[Colter]

How exactly does the ACA control the healthcare industry? Be very specific.

Encouraging the purchase of private goods or services (like insurance) through tax incentives isn't socialism. If it is, then Republicans are socialists several times over.

"Health insurance" industry, they took control of health insurance by adding massive new regulations to health insurance. The new plan was a Trojan horse which invalidates existing plans and adds new products that one may not want or need.

 

[rturner76]

"Health insurance" industry, they took control of health insurance by adding massive new regulations to health insurance. The new plan was a Trojan horse which invalidates existing plans and adds new products that one may not want or need.

The thing that makes health insurance so great is is you never know what you are going to need until it happens. It's better to have full coverage because nobody plans on developing something like a mental illness. People think you can just use your strong will to recover from a mental illness but you actually need medical treatment. That was one of the coverages that was made mandatory if I remember right. People would go into the E/R with a psychotic break who had been perfectly normal before and leave with a forty thousand dollar hospital bill after a month in the hospital cause it was coverage they thought they didn't need.

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

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Psychological projection is a common practice with the Left. We are debating, if you see my exposure of your dishonest claims as "handicapped" then perhaps even you should consider an AA meeting instead.

Insurance was working for the responsible who had purchased it..

Ok. We're going to stop this right here because that is a flat butt lie.

Now, I'm not accusing you of lying, you might be ignorant, but it has to be one or the other because there is no way anyone could claim health insurance was working before the ACA.

Now, whether it's working now may or may not be debatable but for mercy sake's sure it wasn't working before the ACA.

Doubt me ? Go look it up, it wasn't that long ago. Health insurance in America was broken.

Badly, badly broken.

And I'm not going to argue facts with you on it.

You're wrong.

 

[rturner76]

Ok. We're going to stop this right here because that is a flat butt lie.

Now, I'm not accusing you of lying, you might be ignorant, but it has to be one or the other because there is no way anyone could claim health insurance was working before the ACA.

Now, whether it's working now may or may not be debatable but for mercy sake's sure it wasn't working before the ACA.

Doubt me ? Go look it up, it wasn't that long ago. Health insurance in America was broken.

Badly, badly broken.

And I'm not going to argue facts with you on it.

You're wrong.

Well, "I" had insurance through my job so there was no problem.

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

Well, "I" had insurance through my job so there was no problem.

Did your insurance consider being a women a "pre=rexsiting condition ?
Did it have a yearly benefits cap ? How about a lifetime benefits cap ?
Could the policy be revoked or benefits be denied based on incorrect answers to your medical history to anyone at anytime during the life of the policy ?
Did the company routinely question charges even if they authorized them ?
Did it cover vaccines ? well baby care ? a yearly physical ?
Could benefits be denied for any care that could even remotely called "mental health" ?

Because virtually all plans were like this and everyone hated it.

Don't you remember ? Because the internet does. Do some research.

 

[MikeK]

Well, "I" had insurance through my job so there was no problem.

Same here. I'm an educated white male who grew up with professional parents. I always had health insurance. I don't see what the problem could have been.

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

Same here. I'm an educated white male who grew up with professional parents. I always had health insurance. I don't see what the problem could have been.

Ok, this time a mouthful of brandy suffered the ultimate sacrifice for your humor.

 

[Colter]

Well, "I" had insurance through my job so there was no problem.

I paid for my own insurance, I have for 32 years after collage. The ACA invalidated the policy that I liked. The cheapest reissue monthly premium was 400+% higher with a $6,000 deductible. Fortunately I was remarried and was able to pay as a rider on my wife's family policy at a university. I have friends who had to drop their family policy altogether because it became unaffordable. So in their 50's there have NO insurance. They voted Trump in hopes of reversing the lying fraud ACA.

 

[Colter]

Ok. We're going to stop this right here because that is a flat butt lie.

Now, I'm not accusing you of lying, you might be ignorant, but it has to be one or the other because there is no way anyone could claim health insurance was working before the ACA.

Now, whether it's working now may or may not be debatable but for mercy sake's sure it wasn't working before the ACA.

Doubt me ? Go look it up, it wasn't that long ago. Health insurance in America was broken.

Badly, badly broken.

And I'm not going to argue facts with you on it.

You're wrong.

What we have is broken people. Government can't fix people, it can only underwrite their shortcomings.

But I would be in favor of free and unlimited birth control for Democrats.

 

[rturner76]

Well, "I" had insurance through my job so there was no problem.

I forgot, you're supposed to note when you'r being sarcastic on the internet. That's why the emphasis was on "I" as in, who cares about "you"

 

[rturner76]

Same here. I'm an educated white male who grew up with professional parents. I always had health insurance. I don't see what the problem could have been.

Are you straight too? I guess there exists no problems in the entire world then

 

[rturner76]

I paid for my own insurance, I have for 32 years after collage. The ACA invalidated the policy that I liked. The cheapest reissue monthly premium was 400+% higher with a $6,000 deductible. Fortunately I was remarried and was able to pay as a rider on my wife's family policy at a university. I have friends who had to drop their family policy altogether because it became unaffordable. So in their 50's there have NO insurance. They voted Trump in hopes of reversing the lying fraud ACA.

Do they live in a state that does not offer Medical Assistance. That's what people who can't afford insurance usually use but not all states care about people's need for health care. Usually southern and western states have the less effective medical assistance programs compared to the midwest especially and the wast coast somewhat.

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

I forgot, you're supposed to note when you'r being sarcastic on the internet. That's why the emphasis was on "I" as in, who cares about "you"

Oh, sorry - I was in a zone there ......

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

Do they live in a state that does not offer Medical Assistance. That's what people who can't afford insurance usually use but not all states care about people's need for health care. Usually southern and western states have the less effective medical assistance programs compared to the midwest especially and the wast coast somewhat.

Also the States that didn't the the Medicare money basically put their citizens in a horrible bind. Without the Medicare expansion the subsidies aren't available and the whole thing breaks down.

It the State would just work with the ACA people could get insurance and not be, you know, dying. The number of people who are dead because of GOP controlled states not taking the Medicaid expansion should make a pro-lifers head blow off.