It's surprising how few know this obvious fact!

[Heber Book List]

Don't forget we are speaking about the average person in the pew - our knowledge is much greater than theirs (I hope)

 

[Heber Book List]

John's gospel is dated about 105 ad.

Somewhere between 85 - 105, but certainly not before 70CE

 

[Tolworth John]

John's gospel is dated about 105 ad.

to be pedantic we don't know for certain when it was written.
Thos who hold to a date after 70 ad assume that because the destruction of Jerusalen was known that is why John didn't mention it.
Other hold to a pre ad 70 date because the destruction was a significant event that would be natural to refer to.

 

[Dave-W]

Thos who hold to a date after 70 ad assume that because the destruction of Jerusalen was known that is why John didn't mention it.
Other hold to a pre ad 70 date because the destruction was a significant event that would be natural to refer to.

Um - why would it be mentioned? It was the story of what Our Lord did during his earthly ministry.

It does not even record the ascension, which was more important and certainly happened before it was written. It does not record what happened on Pentecost, 50 days after the resurrection.

The destruction of the Temple is outside the scope of the book.

 

[Tolworth John]

Um - why would it be mentioned? It was the story of what Our Lord did during his earthly ministry.

It does not even record the ascension, which was more important and certainly happened before it was written. It does not record what happened on Pentecost, 50 days after the resurrection.

The destruction of the Temple is outside the scope of the book.

While John doesn't record Jesus's predictions of the distruction of Jerusalem, it would be worth recording this confirmation of prophercy as well as giving a historical event that would help date his writing.

 

[Dave-W]

While John doesn't record Jesus's predictions of the distruction of Jerusalem, it would be worth recording this confirmation of prophercy as well as giving a historical event that would help date his writing.

To our minds, perhaps.

But why would he, or his disciples, be interested in preserving the date? (to their way of thinking)

And to them, the miracles themselves would be proof enough of the prophecies.

 

[Rachel Rachel]

John the baptist did NOT write all 21 chapters in the Gospel attributed to him. He died before Yeshua died, so he couldn't have known what happened immediately before Yeshua's death, and after, and written it down.

I don't think any part of the Gospel. That would have been John the Apostle that Yeshua loved.

 

[Heber Book List]

I don't think any part of the Gospel. That would have been John the Apostle that Yeshua loved.

We don't know who wrote it for sure. Over time academics have suggested: John Mark, Lazarus, Thomas, John the Baptist, and John the son of Zebedee. The one that it is traditionally ascribed to is the last one.

 

[timtams]

Don't forget John the elder.

 

[JackRT]

Why would anyone attribute the Book of John to JtB? It was written by John, the son of Zebedee. He wrote 1-3 John and Revelations, too.

I am convinced that John the Apostle, John the Evangelist, John of Patmos and John the Epistle writer were all separate personages.

 

[JackRT]

I have never came across anyone who thought that.

Neither have I.

 

[timtams]

I am convinced that John the Apostle, John the Evangelist, John of Patmos and John the Epistle writer were all separate personages.

that's a lot of Johns.

 

[timtams]

We don't know who wrote it for sure. Over time academics have suggested: John Mark, Lazarus, Thomas, John the Baptist, and John the son of Zebedee. The one that it is traditionally ascribed to is the last one.

Someone wrote it, and determining who that was might not be beyond the reaches of reasonable certainty.

 

[JackRT]

Someone wrote it, and determining who that was might not be beyond the reaches of reasonable certainty.

Yes, and who wrote it could give us some insight into understanding it better.

 

[mmksparbud]

John the baptist did NOT write all 21 chapters in the Gospel attributed to him. He died before Yeshua died, so he couldn't have known what happened immediately before Yeshua's death, and after, and written it down.

LOL!!! Is this a joke??? Somebody trying to pull our leg?? I never heard of such a thing--nobody believes John the Baptist wrote anything!

 

[CherubRam]

I don't know anyone who thinks John's Gospel was written by the Baptizer

I believe it was written for him by an unknown person-s.

 

[JackRT]

I believe it was written for him by an unknown person-s.

Quite a few New Testament documents seem to have been written pseudonymously.

 

[CherubRam]

Quite a few New Testament documents seem to have been written pseudonymously.

As long as the real truth shines through, that is what counts.

 

[timtams]

Quite a few New Testament documents seem to have been written pseudonymously.

That's debatable.

 

[Tone]

I've heard it said that the Yochanan (John) who wrote revelation, is still alive and has a role to play in these last days...