It's so confusing....

[AnneSally]

Hi AnneSally...

I haven't read through the thread yet...but I did want to comment on this post...

...I also think BereanTodd presented a pretty good synopsis...

I also agree that voting in this two party system is basically voting for the lesser of two evils...I would prolly vote 3rd party if I thought it wouldn't be a wasted a vote...

I'm at a bit of a disadvantage as to the "norm" in this forum...I just came in a few weeks or so ago...and this being an election year...politics is quite the hot topic...well...more so than usual.

Personally...I can say that my faith shapes my politics...not visa versa...

My experience has been that the more I grew in the Lord...the less liberal my world view became...and my politics kinda went hand in hand with that.

I can only handle sooooo much politics...which is why I've take a bit of a breather from the forum...but I saw your thread...and I'm always interested in what you have to say...

I've said pretty much all I have to share...and the bottom line is...God is in control...and the world will move according to His perfect plan and no matter what political leaders are put in office...

...prophesy will be fulfilled...and we rest peacefully in the blessed assurance of Christ Jesus.

We watch and pray and wait patiently on Him...and in the meantime...we be the best citizens we can be...but more importantly...faithful servants...of the Lord.

I've only been "conservative" for about 10 years or so...and to me that means holding on to traditional morals and values...politically and Scripturally...

I have no idea what liberalism is these days......but it seems to moving away at a rapid pace from the morals, values and ideals I embraced not all that long ago.

Hi Cris.

Thanks for your thoughts, and yes, I agree with you, the bottom line is that God is in control.

 

[NorrinRadd]

Good! Then you DO know of useless aristocrats. Welcome.

Anyway, I for one am not interested in entertaining any more America-baiting, whether it's disguised as "It's so confusing" or something else.

No need to get testy, or to pretend to be able to read minds. Anne-Sally was asking a sincere question in the OP. I've been involved in previous discussions with her where she tried to make sense of our labels and practices. She's not the sort to engage in "baiting." She does, by her own admission, have some (eeewww!) Socialist leanings, and she disagrees with things like the war in Iraq, but she's also usually pretty quick to acknowledge the positive force America has been.

 

[Tenebrae]

Hey AnneSally

Also living in New Zealand.

Apart of the confusion about politics in NZ is that people have labour pegged as the liberal party and national pegged as a conservative party, when in reality both parties hold to different extremes of liberal politics.

liberals supported government responsibility for health, education, and alleviating poverty while still calling for a market based on independent exchange. Liberals agree that a high quality of health care and education should be available for all citizens, but differ in their views on the degree to which governments should supply these benefits. Since poverty is a threat to personal liberty, liberalism seeks a balance between individual responsibility and community responsibility. In particular, liberals favor special protection for the handicapped, the sick, the disabled, and the aged

From wikipedia, not the most reliable of sources, however easy to read, and lines up with what my social policy texts say

 

[AnneSally]

Hey AnneSally

Also living in New Zealand.

Apart of the confusion about politics in NZ is that people have labour pegged as the liberal party and national pegged as a conservative party, when in reality both parties hold to different extremes of liberal politics.

From wikipedia, not the most reliable of sources, however easy to read, and lines up with what my social policy texts say

HELLO FELLOW KIWI! Hey bro or sis.

So, what are you making of our election campaign this year? A tad boring in comparison to USA aint it? lol.

I'm voting for Helen again I mean please, John Keys smirk gets on my wick, I can't vote for a guy with a smirky smug smile like his.

Commence throwing of rotton tomatoes all ye who disagree.

 

[Tenebrae]

HELLO FELLOW KIWI! Hey bro or sis.

So, what are you making of our election campaign this year? A tad boring in comparison to USA aint it? lol.

I'm voting for Helen again I mean please, John Keys smirk gets on my wick, I can't vote for a guy with a smirky smug smile like his.

Commence throwing of rotton tomatoes all ye who disagree.

Sis

I'll be glad when its all over. I'm really not sure who I'll vote for this year none of the major parties particularly appeal

 

[AnneSally]

Sis

I'll be glad when its all over. I'm really not sure who I'll vote for this year none of the major parties particularly appeal

I understand, I'll be glad when it's all over too. It's been looking like fraggle rock recently....

 

[Tenebrae]

I understand, I'll be glad when it's all over too. It's been looking like fraggle rock recently....

I was thinking more like a primary school play ground. Its scary to think these five year olds will be running the country.

If you ever get a chance to see question time, I think its on the parliament website, its certainly entertaining.

 

[Henaynei]

 

[AnneSally]

 

[AnneSally]

I was thinking more like a primary school play ground. Its scary to think these five year olds will be running the country.

If you ever get a chance to see question time, I think its on the parliament website, its certainly entertaining.

LOL! I'll have to check it out, I keep missing their debates! I wonder how Winnie is going to fare this time round....Rodney really tried to sink his fangs in, eh? Man, it's controversies galore!

 

[WalksWithChrist]

 

[Albion]

No need to get testy,

Exasperated might be a more accurate description. We all know--and have said--that there are indolent aristocrats, so there never was a disagreement.

Anne-Sally was asking a sincere question in the OP. I've been involved in previous discussions with her where she tried to make sense of our labels and practices.

And as you can see, I was entirely willing to help her with that. Before the rest of you, as a matter of fact. It's when this was used as a segue into half-baked anti-Americanism that I checked out of it. But BTW, it doesn't make an awfully good argument for anyone to begin by saying he/she is confused about the American situation and then, almost immediately, talk as though you're knowledgable when making pot-shots.

That said, I will take your advice and see how she comes across in the long run. That doesn't mean I'm not going to call a spade a spade when the situation calls for it.

and she disagrees with things like the war in Iraq

...and this is supposed to have something to do with slaves in American history?

Since you mention it, I'll say this also. Many Americans didn't like Britain's colonial war in the Falklands, but we had enough solidarity with her and good grace not to act towards her like Anne-Sally thinks she is entitled to do here with our country.

 

[desmalia]

I understand, I'll be glad when it's all over too. It's been looking like fraggle rock recently....

You mean it's a real Doozer?

 

[Tenebrae]

You mean it's a real Doozer?

I think you mean doozie

 

[Henaynei]

I think you mean doozie

; no - she meant Doozer - a race native to Fraggle Rock

 

[AnneSally]

Exasperated might be a more accurate description. We all know--and have said--that there are indolent aristocrats, so there never was a disagreement.

And as you can see, I was entirely willing to help her with that. Before the rest of you, as a matter of fact. It's when this was used as a segue into half-baked anti-Americanism that I checked out of it. But BTW, it doesn't make an awfully good argument for anyone to begin by saying he/she is confused about the American situation and then, almost immediately, talk as though you're knowledgable when making pot-shots.

That said, I will take your advice and see how she comes across in the long run. That doesn't mean I'm not going to call a spade a spade when the situation calls for it.

I'm really sick of this and you are overstepping the mark of civlity in your uncalled for inferrance that I am somehow disingenuous.

NorrinRadd has known me longer than anyone here, and he knows me very well indeed, we have had a close on-line relationship which is now a fond friendship for well over 2years and we have discussed almost anything that truly matters at length, both publicly and privately. So he knows where I'm coming from and usually WHY and it certainly isn't from an anti-American vibe. He tried to do you a favour by telling you the truth about me so that you wouldn't keep jumping to the wrong conclusions. And yet you still are. So no offense, but I'm not interested in how your judgements of how I come across, not even in the long run. If you can't handle someone who may not agree with you or see things the way you do then maybe you shouldn't reply to me.

Furthermore, if I do happen to have any anti-American sentiments to share, they certainly wont be half-baked I can assure you of that. Regarding the labels, I'm not knowledgable about them so I haven't been disingenuous. But don't mistake my lack of knowledge about them for an ignorance of history, especially my own, so when you make a sweeping statement that our aristocrats are useless then I wont just sit by and take that on the chin when I don't agree with it.

If you want to take your anti-British pot-shots at someone choose someone else. It's not only Americans who care about their country.

 

[AnneSally]

Exasperated might be a more accurate description. We all know--and have said--that there are indolent aristocrats, so there never was a disagreement.

Excuse me? Sorry, but I expressly remember disagreeing with you that our aristocrats were/are useless.

...and this is supposed to have something to do with slaves in American history?

Slavery has to do with why I find it contradictory that you should say that America stood for "all men are created equal" and that you rejected a "class" structure.

Since you mention it, I'll say this also. Many Americans didn't like Britain's colonial war in the Falklands, but we had enough solidarity with her and good grace not to act towards her like Anne-Sally thinks she is entitled to do here with our country.

How rude. No offense, but the Falklands were British territory and Britain had every right to protect its territory from the Argentine invasion. Iraq on the other hand was an invasion by America in a sovereign nation over something "alleged." And with respect, Britain joined your invasion of Iraq so I find it audacious that you should regard me as not acting with solidarity toward your country just because I happen to disagree with the motives. Britain is America's greatest ally, the fact that I disagree with the Iraq war (and my own nations participation in it) has no bearing on that and I will always be in support of the allegiance between our two great nations. So if you want to understand "good grace" then understand that.

 

[AnneSally]

You mean it's a real Doozer?

LOL! yeah, something like that Des.

 

[AnneSally]

I think you mean doozie

muwahaha...Touche.