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You should read the Constitution.
 
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Just replace with Muslim with Jew and you pretty much have Europe in the mid-20th century. Bigotry is never a logical argument.
False comparison. You are engaging in the same false comparison homosexuals do when they compare discrimination against homosexuals to discrimination against blacks.

Sure, there are SOME people that are just bigoted, but the word "bigotry" has an actual textbook definition. It is based on the concept of a "strong opinion supported by voluntary ignorance". Mine is based on knowledge. Knowledge of the history of Islam. Knowledge based on the teachings of contemporary Imams. Knowledge based on the impact of islam in the world wherever it is the majority or a large minority.

Knowledge is power.
 
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You show ignorance of Islam.
 
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Thank you, Hank
 
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Simple stuff. A travel ban involving countries that have a high muslim content will be a start.

So the Muslims just emigrate to other countries, live there for a year or two, and then emigrate from there to here.

Eventually, nothing short of a full Muslim ban will suffice -- and then they'll just lie about their religion.


Including a Final one? After all, you're still going to have to do something about the Muslims already here... and breeding.
 
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So let's let all the people -- not just you -- voice their opinions and let the majority -- again, not just you -- decide what is or isn't overreaching.

That depends on your meaning. I decide for myself, independently of others, (even if it is based on others views) what my own beliefs, and thusly opinion will be. So I do decide what I view as overreaching for myself, and I can vote on issues concerning what I view as overreaching regardless of others opinions. In that sense, if enough like-minded individuals have the same point of view and vote, the majority will take the day. So if I have enough backing aligned with my own opinion, I can very realistically decide what is or is not overreaching at the polls even tho others may have an opinion to the contrary.

Do you mean it that way? Or just shut up and let me talk?
 
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I think every book, every philosophy really has different interpretations. I believe the version of "Islam" you fear is an extremist philosophy that takes liberties with Muhammad's writings outside of the Quran. 9/10 Muslims in the rest of the world who follow the Quran only, consider a peaceful life as sacred, seek peace, and coexistence with others.

The terrorists have done their job well. They have forced people to think in a way that says "either you are with us or against us as Muslims." Most Muslims in the world don't see it that way, especially in the United States. I would bet everything I own that 99.9% of American Muslims are completely harmless and hate terrorism just as much, if not more that the average American. Sometimes more because they make it hard for peace loving Muslims. Most are capitalists, want their kids to go to college, and want their daughters to have rights.

It makes me sad when I see people put an entire group of people in one category. They may miss out on a new friend that could have been a great companion. My fear is that as Conservative America gains more and more power, feeding on the fears of the people, things like smart gun control will become less and less possible. More and more guns may become available to more people with less restrictions on type, size, and ammunition. As people get more and more afraid and more and more fed up with immigrants, Muslims, and minorities taking away their jobs, and taking their tax money, we will have more and more mass shootings.
 
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Winner, winner, chicken dinner!
 
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That's really not the case. We are talking about "core teachings" of islam here, not some peripheral stuff. And I'm not against "people". I'm against a certain teaching, much as one would be agianst nazism or the KKK. Of course, that means some "people" do become the enemy, but not all of them. There are many muslims that don't really understand what it teaches. They are "muslim" because it is simply their culture and what they were taught since birth, or what they are forced to believe under fear of beheading.

Islam is a VERY unique thing in the world of beliefs. It is very wicked teaching and very dangerous. Those most negatively impacted by it are the muslims themselves.

I've read dozens of articles, watched a LOT of youtube videos (from both sides) and the information is crystal clear. For "fun" try it yourself. As a starting point, simply type in "islam" in youtube search.
 
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That way would work just well and good if we were the democracy we like to say we are -- but alas, we're more a plutocracy in practice... and so long as special interest groups such as, for example, the NRA are buying our elected officials hand over fist, "just shut up and let them talk," is going to be the order of the day.
 
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The terrorists have done their job well. They have forced people to think in a way that says "either you are with us or against us as Muslims."
Keep in mind that thes "terrorists" get their marching orders directly from the Quran and Hadith. No other religion on the planet gives excuse for such behavior. Islam promotes it. Clearly.

And I'm not against muslims. I'm against Islam. The belief system is the problem.

And regarding "peaceful" muslims, spend just a few minutes (start at the 5:00 mark):
 
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You said "NRA". Are you sure you don't mean "Holywood"

Haha! Just kidding.

Fact is, a lot of people think our politicians are bought and paid for by the other side. I sort of agree. I think they are bought and paid for by Satan, thanks to their human weakness. Power corrupts.

And no, I don't mean all of them.
 
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If this is core teaching, why arent the majority of muslims terrorists?
 
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If this is core teaching, why arent the majority of muslims terrorists?
I think there are several reasons and it is hinted at with this question: "Why were the majority of nazis not killing jews?"

And a main part of this is in what many say about "Christianity". There are a LOT of "Cristians" in the world that, if you asked them what a Christian was, would say, "Well...I try to be a good person." And the same is true of a lot of muslims, Hindus, etc. i.e. the "muslims" you have to worry about are the ones that really, REALLY take it seriously. The "sort of" Muslims are no more dangerous than the "sort of" Christians.

The video I posted earlier really nails it down.
 
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Oh, and the point of my post above is that the "core teaching" of Christ is Grace, not how good you are.
 
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We are a democracy. Just because an individual views arent upheld doesn't mean the system is flawed. It simply means they lost the vote.

As for special interest groups. No President has done more to eliminate them, impose term limits, and even limits on Lobbyists. That is part of draining the swamp.
 
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