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The reason we shouldn't look to governments to completely keep us safe, at all levels. Because it's a washing machine with a bunch of clothes in it, not working together. Being replaced with more clothes.Compared with six similarly wealthy countries, the US failed to protect citizens' health in the pandemic.
I've done graduate work in immunology and epidemiology. Your assumption is incorrect. And there are different outcomes in nations, depending on their response or lack of it.
If so, you don't understand anything at all about science. That's what scientists and mathematicians say when the numbers show evidence of something.The Word suggested is the only consideration I need to know about on what evidence the authors are truly displaying.
Nice try. Could have been 35%; it could have been 50%. Probabilities. But it's clear that hundreds of thousands of Americans died because Trump botched the pandemic response. The fact that other nations, who took effective action, had much lower death rates, pretty much nails that down for us.The report or His words and the latter is obvious. It's media the mind game.
We can test your assumption by looking at countries wherein the government did take decisive action. And your assumption fails.The reason we shouldn't look to governments to completely keep us safe at all levels of it.
You kinda described the Trump administration, except nothing was getting clean.because it's a washing machine with a bunch of clothes in it not working together.
Well, it would cause Russia more grief in Ukraine, if the Ukrainians had more weapons to defend themselves. But should support for Putin be a higher priority than the good of the United States?There’s some other issues with that bill
That bill should be called The Invasion Authorization ActYou really oppose more funding for the Border Patrol and for more immigration courts to more rapidly process asylum requests? Why? I know that Trump opposed them in part because Biden proposed them. But shouldn't the good of the country come first?
Well, it would cause Russia more grief in Ukraine, if the Ukrainians had more weapons to defend themselves. But should support for Putin be a higher priority than the good of the United States?
Where is the report so it can be considered with what the authors have said. That's evidence to compare facts on statements. No science or math needed at all.If so, you don't understand anything at all about science. That's what scientists and mathematicians say when the numbers show evidence of something.
its between 0% and 100% until the report and the authors statements can be viewed. Than a number can be determined.Nice try. Could have been 35%; it could have been 50%. Probabilities. But it's clear that hundreds of thousands of Americans died because Trump botched the pandemic response.
No other nation has a constitution like the united states. That has a fair amount of impact on the response for its people. Pretty much every country has its own clauses on authority over those citizens.The fact that other nations, who took effective action, had much lower death rates, pretty much nails that down for us.
I think China had the most success containing the outbreak. Should we have followed their example @The Barbarian ?Where is the report so it can be considered with what the authors have said. That's evidence to compare facts on statements. No science or math needed at all.
its between 0% and 100% until the report and the authors statements can be viewed. Than a number can be determined.
No other nation has a constitution like the united states. That has a fair amount of impact on the response for its people. Pretty much every country has its own clauses on authority over those citizens.
The Word suggested is the only consideration I need to know about on what evidence the authors are truly displaying. The report or His words and the latter is obvious. It's media the mind game.
I think China had the most success containing the outbreak.
New Zealand, yes. Doing nothing much until it was too late to contain the worst of it, was a huge blunder.Should we have followed their example @The Barbarian ?
So this kind of problem has been increasing since 1980 in the government per the graft. I don't see something that stands out. There are dips and increases all along the steady rising bar across the decades. That's suggesting it's fairly consistent no matter who's in office no doubt.View attachment 343791
The global COVID-19 pandemic has had a disproportionate effect on the USA, with more than 26 million diagnosed cases and over 450 000 deaths as of early February, 2021, about 40% of which could have been averted had the US death rate mirrored the weighted average of the other G7 nations.
The extent of difference can also be quantified as the number of missing Americans—ie, the number of US residents who would still be alive if age-specific mortality rates in the USA had remained equal to the average of the other six G7 nations. By this measure, in 2018 alone, 461 000 Americans went missing, an annual figure that has been increasing since 1980 (figure 2, appendix pp 2–3).
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Most of the US mortality excess is among people younger than 65 years. If US death rates were equivalent to those of other G7 nations, two of five deaths before age 65 years would have been averted. To put this number in context, the number of missing Americans each year is more than the total number of COVID-19 deaths in the USA in all of 2020.
Many of the cases and deaths were avoidable. Instead of galvanising the US populace to fight the pandemic, President Trump publicly dismissed its threat (despite privately acknowledging it),
Lancet is arguably the premier medical journal in the world.
I guess you can’t lockdown foreverNearly 2 million excess deaths followed China’s sudden end of COVID curbs--study
Nearly 2 million excess deaths followed China’s sudden end of COVID curbs--study | The Asahi Shimbun: Breaking News, Japan News and Analysis
I suppose the problem with drastic measures of the sort China used, is that when they are released things get a lot worse. A more moderate approach, such as that of New Zealand, seems to have been both effective and did not balloon deaths when the restrictions were lifted. Their death rate was about 1/3 of ours.
New Zealand, yes. Doing nothing much until it was too late to contain the worst of it, was a huge blunder.
Can't get much more dishonest than that.China COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
China Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.www.worldometers.info
Rgr that thanks, but I still don't believe the updated numbers far to low. That's typical of the country.Yeah, I edited it and put in another link, I didn’t want anyone to think I believe those stats
It's still a little boggling how the U.S data on mortality rate didn't mirror the average of other G7 nations but would of stopped a virus from infecting more humans if it did. Didn't know data collecting was so powerful.View attachment 343791
The global COVID-19 pandemic has had a disproportionate effect on the USA, with more than 26 million diagnosed cases and over 450 000 deaths as of early February, 2021, about 40% of which could have been averted had the US death rate mirrored the weighted average of the other G7 nations.
The extent of difference can also be quantified as the number of missing Americans—ie, the number of US residents who would still be alive if age-specific mortality rates in the USA had remained equal to the average of the other six G7 nations. By this measure, in 2018 alone, 461 000 Americans went missing, an annual figure that has been increasing since 1980 (figure 2, appendix pp 2–3).
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Most of the US mortality excess is among people younger than 65 years. If US death rates were equivalent to those of other G7 nations, two of five deaths before age 65 years would have been averted. To put this number in context, the number of missing Americans each year is more than the total number of COVID-19 deaths in the USA in all of 2020.
Many of the cases and deaths were avoidable. Instead of galvanising the US populace to fight the pandemic, President Trump publicly dismissed its threat (despite privately acknowledging it),
Lancet is arguably the premier medical journal in the world.
Just a guess but I would say that because in the US if you had stage 4 cancer and COVID, you died of COVID, Same if you had a heart attack and COVID, you died of COVID. Even if you were in a car wreck but had COVID, you died of COVID.It's still a little boggling how the U.S data on mortality rate didn't mirror the average of other G7 nations but would have stopped a virus from infecting more humans if it did. Didn't know data collecting was so powerful.
You're going backwards. Excess mortality is a way of checking on actual deaths in a pandemic. Hence the huge increase in excess deaths during the pandemic is how it was discovered that the official death toll had been greatly under-reported.It's still a little boggling how the U.S data on mortality rate didn't mirror the average of other G7 nations but would of stopped a virus from infecting more humans if it did. Didn't know data collecting was so powerful.
So how does that lack of reporting stop the actual virus from coming in contact with people???You're going backwards. Excess mortality is a way of checking on actual deaths in a pandemic. Hence the huge increase in excess deaths during the pandemic is how it was discovered that the official death toll had been greatly under-reported.
We’re still learning just how badly America handled the pandemic—’excess deaths’ jumped nearly 85% in 3 years, study finds
People in the U.S. are dying at higher rates than in other similar high-income countries, and that difference is only growing. That’s the key finding of a new study that I published in the journal PLOS One.
Abstract
The mortality gap between the United States and other high-income nations substantially expanded during the first two decades of the 21st century. International comparisons of Covid-19 mortality suggest this gap might have grown during the Covid-19 pandemic. Applying population-weighted average mortality rates of the five largest West European countries to the US population reveals that this mortality gap increased the number of US deaths by 34.8% in 2021, causing 892,491 “excess deaths” that year. Controlling for population size, the annual number of excess deaths has nearly doubled between 2019 and 2021 (+84.9%). Diverging trends in Covid-19 mortality contributed to this increase in excess deaths, especially towards the end of 2021 as US vaccination rates plateaued at lower levels than in European countries. In 2021, the number of excess deaths involving Covid-19 in the United States reached 223,266 deaths, representing 25.0% of all excess deaths that year. However, 45.5% of the population-standardized increase in excess deaths between 2019 and 2021 is due to other causes of deaths. While the contribution of Covid-19 to excess mortality might be transient, divergent trends in mortality from other causes persistently separates the United States from West European countries. Excess mortality is particularly high between ages 15 and 64. In 2021, nearly half of all US deaths in this age range are excess deaths (48.0%).
The Covid-19 pandemic and the expansion of the mortality gap between the United States and its European peers
The mortality gap between the United States and other high-income nations substantially expanded during the first two decades of the 21st century. International comparisons of Covid-19 mortality suggest this gap might have grown during the Covid-19 pandemic. Applying population-weighted average...journals.plos.org
And no, they are not all lying.
No, that story won't fly, either. The cause of death had to be shown to be caused by the virus. But comorbidities did increase the death rate just as it does for influenza, cancer, heart disease, and so on. Do you think doctors don't know this? And no, they are not all lying.Just a guess but I would say that because in the US if you had stage 4 cancer and COVID, you died of COVID, Same if you had a heart attack and COVID, you died of COVID.
You're confusing your hoaxes here. What you're referring to is the attempt by antivaxxers to show that COVID-19 vaccines were killing people. Here's how the hoax went:Even if you were in a car wreck but had COVID, you died of COVID.
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