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It's getting worse for him.

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Last night, Joe went about an hour and seven minutes speaking quite energetically and clearly, and during that time he directly answered to a few people. So, if that was rigged and scripted, he was at least able to stick to a plan. But he seemed pretty natural even during exchanges. Plus, he spent some while talking with individuals before and after the speech. And he did jumble a couple of words, but corrected himself, right away. So, possibly, some people have been bearing false witness about his ability to speak and think. I do not mean what he is saying and thinking is right, but I do not believe in lying about his abilities, or being incompetent in evaluating and representing his abilities.

And I have seen a recent video of Donald, and he seemed pretty clear and clever at that time.

So, may be either one can slip up, but they can also do a lot of other talking, I guess I could say.

Were they both able to talk straight during the debate? I missed it. And did they have better order so each candidate could speak without being badgered and interrupted?
 
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You can find videos of the Taliban leader speaking English.
Maybe so, but I doubt if even the Trump administration would forgo translators.
Trump's people may not have been the best, but the career people would not stand for it.
 
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Maybe so, but I doubt if even the Trump administration would forgo translators.
Trump's people may not have been the best, but the career people would not stand for it.
What the leader said shows that his English etiquette isn't perfect like alot people who's first language isn't English.
 
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Both of the candidates in this race are aged to the point where mental decline is evident. Assuming he wins and survives to the end of a second term, Biden will be 86 when leaving office. Trump would not be far behind, as he is only 4 years younger.

I'm not going to claim that old people cannot meaningfully contribute to society, but I do think that we need to end this gerontocracy if we want to have any hope of reversing our obvious decline as a nation. It is not right that old men and women (Pelosi was 82 last year when she finally retired, thank the good Lord) maintain power past the period which they are able to understand the country and world in which they are making major decisions. Doing so results in government which is not as responsive or capable as it could be. For example, congress is currently (for at least the second time) debating legislation which would ban the app Tiktok from being downloaded or used in the United States, out of fear of its connection to a Chinese parent company and what that could mean for the safety of user data and, similarly, U.S. security interests. I'm not going to comment on the the app itself (as I do not have it on any device I own), but it strikes me as hopelessly outdated to focus excessively on the security concerns related to this one app because of its "Chinese connection" when so many similar apps owned by big U.S. tech companies such as Meta/Facebook/Instagram have proven to be so vulnerable on this front. Remember the Cambridge Analytica debacle with Facebook? I'm going to guess most of our representatives in congress do not, or if they do, such situations are stuck on the backburner because "Oh no, CHINA!" Well, China may be a problem (in fact, I highly agree that they are in the area of technological espionage and the like), but again, this is clearly a remanent of the "Cold War" mentality that much of our government still holds because the people running it largely grew up in the 1950s and 1960s when fears of a war with the Communist world were very reasonable to have. They're less reasonable today, at least on the grounds that the states involved are communist (read: It is still reasonable to have concerns about China; it is less reasonable to have concerns about China because China is "communist"). Yet that's what we're stuck with because of the mentality of the 65+ set who rule us. Younger people could make (and have made) the point that the USA should deal with Tiktok via more wide-reaching legislation that brings all social media apps (not just those owned by non-U.S. companies) up to the data privacy standards of other first world nations, such as the protections provided to social media users in much of Europe. Of course, that's not going to happen, because making it harder for scummy businesses to treat their customers like sheep to fleeced is another thing that brings out shrieks of "COMMUNIST!" from a not-insignificant chunk of the elder set, for the reasons already given above.

So yes, Trump is getting worse, Biden is probably also getting worse (didn't watch his address yesterday, so I can't comment on that), but more to the point, the whole dang system is getting worse, because it all suffers from this problem. Too many old/inflexible/unresponsive/practically comatose people in power is never good for anyone.
 
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I have a feeling those were created by those who claim he's worshiped. Do you really think that statue was an attempt at flattery?
It showed up at CPAC, which welcomed it. And Trump pretty much owns CPAC. I suppose he didn't realize how a golden image of himself would play with Christians.

The picture of the man in the red shirt bowing to the statue appeared to be a genuine photograph. A video of a man with similar features kneeling before the statue was also broadcast on MSNBC.

There were other images of the idol that had been Photoshopped to show others praying to it, but at least one person actually bowed before the golden image of Donald Trump.


The statue is perhaps the most extreme celebration at CPAC of the former president, who will speak here on Sunday in his first public appearance since leaving office. Zegan says every aspect of the statue – which puts Trump in a suit jacket, American-flag-themed shorts and flip-flop sandals – is intended to be symbolic.

“The coat and tie is the fact that he’s a professional, he’s a businessman,” Zegan said. “The red tie symbolizes he’s a Republican. The red white and blue is that he’s a patriot. The fact that he’s wearing thongs and shorts is that he’s at the age where he should be retired. He should be at the beach right now.”

But when asked if he would like for Trump to ease into retirement or run for President again in 2024, Zegan was emphatic.
“I would be, yes, ecstatic,” he said. “If he wants it to happen, it will happen.”


I know, it all seems crazy. But every cult looks crazy from the outside.
 
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This is way off topic of the supposed gaffe of Highness in your opening post.
 
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I merely note that Biden was able to out-negotiate a much-younger Speaker of the House on the budget talks, so there is that. Even republicans admitted that Biden managed McCarthy handily.

Biden seems to have made a career out of getting opponents to underestimate him.
 
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This is way off topic of the supposed gaffe of Highness in your opening post.
It's a lie, but as you see, Trump is pretty much unable to distinguish his lies from reality. Like his "windmills cause cancer" gaffe, he seems to have not realized how cognitively-competent people would see it. It's very likely that he actually believes that windmills cause cancer.

And yes, telling a foolish lie is a gaffe.
 
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I just hope that the US can survive four more years under either until we get to the next election. I have to go with Trump because of the border issue but I am not happy about either being president
 
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So are you saying the Taliban leader didn't say Highness? Where's the proof he didn't and Trump lied about it?
 
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I just hope that the US can survive four more years under either until we get to the next election. I have to go with Trump because of the border issue
You really oppose more funding for the Border Patrol and for more immigration courts to more rapidly process asylum requests? Why? I know that Trump opposed them in part because Biden proposed them. But shouldn't the good of the country come first?
 
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So are you saying the Taliban leader didn't say Highness? Where's the proof he didn't and Trump lied about it?
Inference from behavior. the winner of a war doesn't call the loser "your excellency." And given the numberous lies he's told in the past to feel better about himself, it's not hard to figure out.
Those guys aren't stupid. They are well aware of diplomatic nicities, and the head of the Taliban is a scholar of religious law and history. So not some bumpkin.
 
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I'll agree he isn't perfect and should look more into the stuff he reads about.

windmills causing cancer Isn’t something knew but decades old.
 
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There’s some other issues with that bill
 
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windmills causing cancer Isn’t something knew but decades old.
Yes, idiots have been passing that around for a long time. Trump isn't the first. But one of those guys in the Oval Office is a recipe for disaster. Like those hundreds of thousands of Americans who would not have died if Trump was honest with us about COVID-19.
 
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So what was Trump holding back that could of reduced covid-19 mortality. Last year covid deaths fell quite substantially but the last couple of years before that had also been in the hundreds of thousands.

47,343 in 2023,
246,166 in 2022,
463,267 in 2021,
385,676 in 2020.

When a virus goes global there's not much anyone can do. It will run its coarse. Now last years drop just might be a sign it won't survive much longer. Humans can try to battle the virus but some like the flu its here to stay its mutation ability to tolerate or buffer is undefeated so far. Not saying it can't be possible one day.
 
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So what was Trump holding back that could of reduced covid-19 mortality.

Damning analysis of Trump's pandemic response suggested 40% of US COVID-19 deaths could have been avoided

  • A report on the Trump administration's policies suggested 40% of US COVID-19 deaths were avoidable.
  • Compared with six similarly wealthy countries, the US failed to protect citizens' health in the pandemic.
  • Trump publicly downplayed COVID-19 and often undermined health guidelines.
The report, published by the Lancet Commission, excoriated Trump's handling of the pandemic and general approach to public health. "He expedited the spread of COVID-19 in the US," the authors wrote.

"Many of the cases and deaths were avoidable," they said, adding that "instead of galvanizing the US populace to fight the pandemic, President Trump publicly dismissed its threat (despite privately acknowledging it), discouraged action as infection spread, and eschewed international cooperation."

The US has recorded about 27 million COVID-19 cases and at least 471,000 deaths, though public-health experts have said those official tallies are likely undercounted.


The United States had a pandemic response team in place. Trump disbanded it:

Did Trump Administration Fire the US Pandemic Response Team?

As a new coronavirus spread in 2020, so did concerns about the United States' preparedness for a potential pandemic.
It's thus true that the Trump administration axed the executive branch team responsible for coordinating a response to a pandemic and did not replace it, eliminating Ziemer's position and reassigning others, although Bolton was the executive at the top of the National Security Council chain of command at the time.

 
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When a virus goes global there's not much anyone can do.
Compared with six similarly wealthy countries, the US failed to protect citizens' health in the pandemic.
I've done graduate work in immunology and epidemiology. Your assumption is incorrect. And there are different outcomes in nations, depending on their response or lack of it.
 
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The Word suggested is the only consideration I need to know about on what evidence the authors are truly displaying. The report or His words and the latter is obvious. It's media the mind game.
 
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