It will be Baldwin for 2008!

[tulc]

and eliminating the fundamental Americaness of our country

...Americaness? Could you give an example of fundamental Americaness?
tulc(just curious)

 

[FaithLikeARock]

Haha, that's just what John Kerry said in 2004. Look where it got him. Without a constitutional amendment, states activist judges can force their citizenry to live with homosexual marriage, so McCain's position will basically let many parts of the US get sucked down the moral gutter.

And since when is opposing tax cuts (as he has in the past and surely will in the future) been conservative? When has supporting restrictions on the right to bear arms, and letting immigrants flood our borders, and eliminating the fundamental Americaness of our country in the name of a free-trade block that will make the US like the west wing of the EU?

Isn't this country made of immigrants?

 

[Speculative]

...Americaness? Could you give an example of fundamental Americaness?
tulc(just curious)

I'll give ya a few!

1) Giving people the rights to have relationships with whomever they want without government interference.

2) Fair and responsible tax policy which doesn't benefit the upper classes to the detriment of lower classes and without restricting the government's ability to provide basic services.

3) A welcoming stance toward immigrants.

4) The desire to engage in international trade.

Hmmmm. Compared to Baldwin supporters, McCain's not sounding too bad

 

[LilGeorgiaPeach81]

Don't worry, you won't be required to marry another woman.

But my children might be forced to sit in a classroom and be told that homosexuality is normal and right, and anyone who disagrees is a bigot, and that if their parents or their church tell them otherwise, then their parents are bigotted and their church is bigotted.

 

[LilGeorgiaPeach81]

I'll give ya a few!

1) Giving people the rights to have relationships with whomever they want without government interference.

2) Fair and responsible tax policy which doesn't benefit the upper classes to the detriment of lower classes and without restricting the government's ability to provide basic services.

3) A welcoming stance toward immigrants.

4) The desire to engage in international trade.

Hmmmm. Compared to Baldwin supporters, McCain's not sounding too bad

A "welcoming" stance toward immigrants is fine if the immigrants are willing to learn to speak English and play by the rules (come in legally, with permission from the government). A welcoming stance towards illegals who break the laws just to come here, and are already proven to not respect the laws of our country, and then take jobs from real Americans, that is just stupid.

And there's nothing wrong with the desire to engage in international trade, McCain's version of it though is letting the rest of the world line up to pick America's pocket while we have to kowtow to foreign bodies and conform our law to theirs until "our" law means nothing anymore.

 

[Billnew]

I'll give ya a few!

1) Giving people the rights to have relationships with whomever they want without government interference.

That ones new. Goverment has always interfered in the legal unons of people. They charge money to recognize a relationship. Other then that goverment doesn't care.
Maybe Americanism in the future but has never been to this date.

2) Fair and responsible tax policy which doesn't benefit the upper classes to the detriment of lower classes and without restricting the government's ability to provide basic services.

you mean like giving equal percentage tax breaks to everyone? Taxing the people that hire other people less so they can expand teir business, and create more products?

3) A welcoming stance toward immigrants.

Most Amercans are Immigrants, we welcome immigrants that come here legally. We do not welcome criminals that sneak in to our country, much like every other country in the world.

4) The desire to engage in international trade.

Fair trade in the world is good. We haven't tried fair trade. Free trade helps everyone but us, since we have so many laws to protect the workers and what they earn, and other countrys don't.

So Americanness is different for every person you talk to.
My view is:
1.Federal Goverment staying out of issues unless a valid Constitutional question is involved. States handle all issues not specifically mentioned in the Constitution.

2.Goverment doesn't take away peoples land for profit.

3.Goverment clearly defines torture and doesn't engage in it.
4.All people are welcome, as long as they follow our laws and are here to improve themselves and the country.

5.Our personal freedoms are non-negotiatable.
The right to speak freely, peacefully assemble in groups,
choice of religion or choice of no religion. The right to own a firearm, the right to not be subject to searchs on our person or private property, The right to not self incriminate, The right not to have soldiers housed in our homes without our permission. And every other right of our Constitution. And including the right of self defense,
which isn't specifically written out in our constitution.
This is our Americanness.

 

[Grizzly]

Scarred me. I thought Alec Baldwin or Billy Baldwin was running for president.
I might have nightmares now.

I thought that too when I saw the title of the thread. Currently, I can think of no Baldwin qualified to be president of the US.

 

[Speculative]

That ones new. Goverment has always interfered in the legal unons of people. They charge money to recognize a relationship. Other then that goverment doesn't care.
Maybe Americanism in the future but has never been to this date.

Yes, maybe in the future we will loosen the shackles of institutional homophobia--then we will indeed be supporting the American ideal of freedom.

you mean like giving equal percentage tax breaks to everyone? Taxing the people that hire other people less so they can expand teir business, and create more products?

Of course not. I said a tax policy that treats both rich and poor equitably and both of these proposals benefit the rich at the expense of the poor.

Most Amercans are Immigrants, we welcome immigrants that come here legally. We do not welcome criminals that sneak in to our country, much like every other country in the world.

And I think John McCain would agree with that--so I don't see what the OP's problem is with that issue.

Fair trade in the world is good. We haven't tried fair trade. Free trade helps everyone but us, since we have so many laws to protect the workers and what they earn, and other countrys don't.

I guess I'd agree with you to a certain extent, but for different reasons. Much of our trade policy is designed to exploit the resources of other countries to benefit American corporations. American workers do suffer as well, so I agree with you on that. I just hope you don't advocate evening the playing field by relaxing the protections we provide our workers.

 

[Corey]

Maybe it is better said that it is God's will that Christians support the true Christian candidate, and that those who vote for Obama/Clinton/McCain will seal their own fate for their defiance of the Lord.

Uh huh...please feel free to go over to General Apologetics and prove your god exists. Otherwise, please stop the religious invective.