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That would also explain why we never talk. But to answer your question, I'm just an average guy who's been hanging around CF for years - though not very active recently.Who are you?
I'm a very patient guy. Often, what is taken as baiting or dishonesty is actually unfamiliarity with the facts.Agreed. If you don't want to encourage what you consider to be nonsense, then don't respond to it. I suspect, though, that many here enjoying baiting.
Science is a system of collecting information and understanding the world around us, not a person.Um ... would you like to see some of their pictures?
There are some things science leaves behind that can't be corrected.
Knowledge is corrected, consequences are still on the people who perform actions or make decisions.
Why should they be? They are merely artists' impressions based on the evidence available at the time.Um ... would you like to see some of their pictures?
There are some things science leaves behind that can't be corrected.
Yes, but we blame it on marketing executives, not science. It worked on the diseases science intended it for.Ya -- they sleep at night.
While those the actions were performed on carry their mistakes for life.
Remember Thalidomide?
Yes, but we blame it on marketing executives, not science. It worked on the diseases science intended it for.
Remember Thalidomide?
Funny you should mention that. A dedicated scientist kept expectant mothers in the U.S. safe:
Frances Oldham Kelsey, recipient of the highest recognition attainable for a U. S. civil servant for her role in saving perhaps thousands from death or life-long incapacitation, had a long an impressive career both before that turning point in medical history and afterwards.
And yes, she caught some pressure from non-scientists to just let it go. Thank the Lord, she maintained her scientific ethics.
Rigidity can be tough.
It can lead to two years of house arrest (Galileo); or it can lead to days of significant ridicule (Frances Kelsey).
Ya -- they sleep at night.
While those the actions were performed on carry their mistakes for life.
Remember Thalidomide?
People's culpability isn't dependent on whether people acknowledge responsibility or not.
Like Galileo, Kelsey was challenged, but science vindicated her.If you run a search of Frances Kelsey on this site, you'll see I have five pages of references to her.
You're attacking scientists for not being prophets?That's probably what the scientists in L'Aquila were hoping for, when they pleaded NOT GUILTY.
From AI Overview:
The scientists on trial in L'Aquila pleaded not guilty, maintaining that they did not fail to predict the earthquake and that their advice was based on the best available scientific knowledge at the time. They argued that it is impossible to predict earthquakes with certainty and that their role was to assess and communicate risk, not to provide definitive predictions. The prosecution, however, argued that the scientists were negligent in their assessment of the seismic risk and provided misleading information that contributed to the high death toll.
Like Galileo, Kelsey was challenged, but science vindicated her.
They were prosecuted for not predicting a result that occurs only 2% of the time in such circumstances? What if we held politicians, insurance companies, doctors, etc. to such a standard?That's probably what the scientists in L'Aquila were hoping for, when they pleaded NOT GUILTY.
You're attacking scientists for not being prophets?
Science doesn't claim perfection or infallibility.
Yup.
To the surprise of the other scientists, I'm sure.
And for the record, did science vindicate her -- or was it a generation of children what vindicated her?
I submit a generation of children MADE scientists go back to the drawing board.
And when they did, to their dismay, they found out they were wrong.
So they blamed it on management.
As usual, you're wrong in your imagination. By Galileo, most scientists realized that the geocentric model was wrong. And of course, Kelsey's position was openly challenged by drug companies and politicians, but not by many scientists.To the surprise of the other scientists, I'm sure.
The call of the scientist actually in charge of making that decision shows that you are wrong. Instead of peddling strawmen, why not study the reasons science protected the unborn?I submit a generation of children MADE scientists go back to the drawing board.
They were prosecuted for not predicting a result that occurs only 2% of the time in such circumstances?
What if we held politicians, insurance companies, doctors, etc. to such a standard?
The call of the scientist actually in charge of making that decision shows that you are wrong.
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