It Is Ok To Make A Negative Confession..

[pinetree]

There is a big difference between forgetting/denying what the Lord has done in your life, rejecting/disobeying his word or command, and saying to yourself, "I'm no good at this, I'm going to fail", or "I'm disabled", or whatever.

By the way what about situations where you have a very good idea of what will happen if people carry on along a certain path? Is it negative to say so? - Serious question.
E.g my former church has about 40 members - a few in nursing homes, a couple who are housebound; average age of the rest - 70. They mostly do not like change, they are very reluctant to help with anything "because they're old", and I honestly don't know where their faith is or if they have any concept of God stepping in, answering prayer and working in power.

I chose to leave that church and go somewhere that was growing and where I could enjoy worship, but the minister of my new church has also just taken over as minister of my former church. We've discussed the situation briefly, and I've told him that the church is in a bad way and, imo, it's just a matter of time before it closes. I do feel slightly guilty that I may have written them off and am not allowing God to perform a miracle, but, humanly speaking, I can't see any way they can remain open. I'm not even sure they should to be honest - if the idol of the building were removed, they'd soon find out who was really serious about worshipping God. Is it being negative to say to the minister that the church is probaly headed for closure? (Not that he's going to take any notice of me anyway.) Would it in fact be wrong to pray earnestly for revival if God wants to close the church and start again with the few people who really do believe in him?

Sorry, I appear to have gone off the subject rather. It's just that this is very much on my mind at the moment, even though, technically, it's none of my business.

Good point..

I think according to our friend Dids,a fellow poster on the thread.

You should confess that there are thousands filling the pews in your church!

 

[pinetree]

is it ok to make a negative confession?
only if you want what you are confessing.

Hello.
Could you please show me in scripture,where our words,create the future..

 

[pinetree]

To me a negative confession is griping and complaining and walking around feeling sorry for one's self. That kept the children of Israel out of the promised land and wandering in the desert. I know the ground opened up and swallowed all the negative confessioner's at one point. Another time, the confessions of the negative brought on leprosy. Another time snakes showed up on the scene.

We can be open about what is going on in our life without contradicting what God's Word says. Such as "I'm not feeling well" vs "I'm sick", or "I can't buy that today" vs "I'm poor".

You also might want to do a deeper word study on some of the verses you've used...they don't quite mean what you say they do. I could point them out but you would accept it better discovering it for yourself.

Phil 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy—meditate on these things.noble, whatever things.

Tell me this,as far as your post here..

was it an issue of heart,or words...

They were a stiff necked people!

What about the op..

Actually they are pretty obvious verse,not really needing a word study..

 

[pinetree]

Hi

how ya been? M

 

[Nerah]

how ya been? M

Great. Thanks. You?

 

[hopeinGod]

To me a negative confession is griping and complaining and walking around feeling sorry for one's self. That kept the children of Israel out of the promised land and wandering in the desert. I know the ground opened up and swallowed all the negative confessioner's at one point. Another time, the confessions of the negative brought on leprosy. Another time snakes showed up on the scene.

Please, sister, give me one example of these things taking place today and I will eat my hat. These things DO NOT happen in these days. They are yesterday's phenomenon, not today's.

Have you ever seen a single person in your life develop Hansen's disease from something said? Has an earthquake taken place after a negative confession of yours, or anyone else's for that matter? Have snakes ever appeared? Let's act like intelligent people here, please.

Dave

 

[pinetree]

This is funny, Read the post on this or any thead. They talk more of Jesus failure then His fulfillment of His father will. What you don't see anything! I guess thats because we walk by faith and not anybody sight.

I understand what you are saying..

 

[pinetree]

confessions are confessions. it doesnt have to be positive or negative. as long as your intentions are pure, ur ok.

Thats a good point..

When we are down,or up,it is healthy to just tell God,or our friends our experince,not fearing that our words are somehow going to create a cosmic shift...

 

[pinetree]

Seems to me that this is a positive confession.

yes..
It is a mixture

 

[Always in His Presence]

Phil 4:6 Do not fret or have any anxiety about anything, but in every circumstance and in everything, by prayer and petition (definite requests), with thanksgiving, continue to make your wants known to God. 7 And God's peace [shall be yours, that tranquil state of a soul assured of its salvation through Christ, and so fearing nothing from God and being content with its earthly lot of whatever sort that is, that peace] which transcends all understanding shall garrison and mount guard over your hearts and minds in Christ Jesus.
8 For the rest, brethren,

• whatever is true,
  
• whatever is worthy of reverence
  
• and is honorable
  
• and seemly,
  
• whatever is just,
  
• whatever is pure,
  
• whatever is lovely
  
• and lovable,
  
• whatever is kind
  
• and winsome
  
• and gracious,
  
• if there is any virtue
  
• and excellence,
  
• if there is anything worthy of praise,
  

think on and weigh and take account of these things [fix your minds on them].

​

If Paul is saying that these things are what we should fix our mind on - how would anyone ever have a negative thought - let alone confession?

You would have to ignore this part of the Word of God - wouldn't you?


Sure it's perfectly OK to have a negative confession - just remember sowing and reaping works in many different area's of peoples lives.

 

[pinetree]

Please, sister, give me one example of these things taking place today and I will eat my hat. These things DO NOT happen in these days. They are yesterday's phenomenon, not today's.

Have you ever seen a single person in your life develop Hansen's disease from something said? Has an earthquake taken place after a negative confession of yours, or anyone else's for that matter? Have snakes ever appeared? Let's act like intelligent people here, please.

Dave

good point..

Do our words really create a cosmic shift..

I cant remember which one,but there is religion that has a philosophy that sounds like that..

They try to collectively think happy thoughts to create a shift in time and space.

 

[pinetree]

Phil 4:6 Do not fret or have any anxiety about anything, but in every circumstance and in everything, by prayer and petition (definite requests), with thanksgiving, continue to make your wants known to God. 7 And God's peace [shall be yours, that tranquil state of a soul assured of its salvation through Christ, and so fearing nothing from God and being content with its earthly lot of whatever sort that is, that peace] which transcends all understanding shall garrison and mount guard over your hearts and minds in Christ Jesus.
8 For the rest, brethren,

• whatever is true,
  
• whatever is worthy of reverence
  
• and is honorable
  
• and seemly,
  
• whatever is just,
  
• whatever is pure,
  
• whatever is lovely
  
• and lovable,
  
• whatever is kind
  
• and winsome
  
• and gracious,
  
• if there is any virtue
  
• and excellence,
  
• if there is anything worthy of praise,
  

think on and weigh and take account of these things [fix your minds on them].

​

If Paul is saying that these things are what we should fix our mind on - how would anyone ever have a negative thought - let alone confession?

You would have to ignore this part of the Word of God - wouldn't you?


Sure it's perfectly OK to have a negative confession - just remember sowing and reaping works in many different area's of peoples lives.

Please show in in scripture...

Where our confessions alter time and space.

Because that is really at the heart of the confession theme.

If all my words,bring about all the changes in life,that puts way to much power,and emphasis on the human beings words.

I have met folks in that crowd,that actually live in bondage to the confession teachings.

Ther are actually afraid to say a negative statement,for fear of bringing on the situtation they mentioned.:o

 

[pinetree]

Sometimes even good ole Paul's confessions were negative.

11Brothers, if I am still preaching circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been abolished. 12As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!:o

 

[Nerah]

A lot of churches would censor Paul for saying that.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Tell me this,as far as your post here..

was it an issue of heart,or words...

Matthew 12:33-35 “Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or else make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for a tree is known by its fruit. Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things."

They were a stiff necked people!

And they claimed things that were untrue despite God's promise to them. Instead of "We're thirsty" they said, "we're going to die".

What about the op..

What about it? I'm not going to speak negatively. God has promised to keep me, any negative speaking would only put me into the category of stiff necked.

Actually they are pretty obvious verse,not really needing a word study..

My point exactly! Due to assuming it is obvious, there is a lack of study. Someone from England could send you a letter and use words that mean something in particular to them yet mean something totally different to you. You would think you understood, but in fact you would not...unless of course you knew what that person meant when they used the word that meant something different to you.

 

[Strong in Him]

Good point..

I think according to our friend Dids,a fellow poster on the thread.

You should confess that there are thousands filling the pews in your church!

Well ok. The minister'd kill me though cos the church only seats 120.

It's an easy answer to church growth - don't bother evangelising or devising mission programmes, just confess that your church has hundreds of members.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Well ok. The minister'd kill me though cos the church only seats 120.

It's an easy answer to church growth - don't bother evangelising or devising mission programmes, just confess that your church has hundreds of members.

Come on guys! Saying stuff like this is no better than the news and their twistings of the facts in order to get an interesting story. We are not to speak the opposite of what God would say. That's what Balaam was hired to do but he only speak what God said about Israel.

When in the middle of financial struggles is it ok to say "I'm going down"? Or is it better to say, "God will supply"? Saying "God will supply" does not mean that one sits on their hiney and does not take up and use any tools that God places in their hands. It also does not mean that one goes all over town saying how "God has deserted me and I'm going to die in poverty."

 

[lismore]

Dont speak positively or negatively. Rather speak the truth.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Dont speak positively or negatively. Rather speak the truth.

Other than God what is truth? According to the Israelites it was truth to claim they were brought into the desert to die.

 

[lismore]

Other than God what is truth?

Pontius Pilate cyncially asked Jesus 'What is truth?'.

Jesus said we would know the truth and the truth will set us free.