It gets me so mad!!!!!!!!

[num_me_vexo]

Well, no its not actually
First we must define Messianic Judaism. From our forum FAQ:

Then we must answer the question, "What if you are not Jewish but have similar beliefs as Messianics?" Also from our FAQ: For more interesting stuff check out our whole FAQ

b'Shalom
Heneynei

thank u could u clear one thing for me? are messianic jews the same as jews for jesus? cause jews for jesus believe what i believe (i checked out their website) and their learder told me that he was a christian jew because he believed in jesus. so is he messianic 2?
and if i believe what they believe, does that make me a messianic gentile?

 

[shmuel]

Jews for Jesus is an evangelistic organization. Jews who believe as a part of their ministry may either become members of a church or they may become part of a Messianic Jewish synagogue. The two largest Messianic umbrella groups in the US are the MJAA and UMJC. Both of these organization have statements of belief similar Jews for Jesus. A Jew who believes in Jesus but maintains a Jewish lifestyle and association with the Jewish community is called a Messianic Jew. A Jew who joins a church and assimilates into the gentile community is frequently called a Hebrew Christian. However, those distinction are somewhat artificial and there are plenty shades of gray.

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[Henaynei]

thank u could u clear one thing for me? are messianic jews the same as jews for jesus? cause jews for jesus believe what i believe (i checked out their website) and their learder told me that he was a christian jew because he believed in jesus. so is he messianic 2?
and if i believe what they believe, does that make me a messianic gentile?

Shalom num_me_vexo,

Hopefully you have read the links I posted in my thread above. The answers are generally short and ARE informative - they are designed ot answer questions such as your's.

Moshe Rosen is an honest man, it is true he is not Messianic, rather he is what is known as a Hebrew Christian Here is a partial answer regarding the relationship of Jewish persons with his belief and Messianic Judaism. Wouldn't all Jews who believe in G-d's Messiah be Messianic Jews? <<click there

Since the person who's beliefs most closley reflect your's is a (Hebrew) Christian, then you are a (Gentile) Christian. Both Christians and Messianics are saved by grace through the sacrifice of Messiah. Neither of us earn our way to righteousness. We both, however, have chosen differing paths in how we serve G-d. Christians do it generally from an historically Western/Hellenistic cultural platform, Messianics generally from an historically Eastern/Jewish cultural platform. While vastly different, our goals are the same, to serve, obey and honor G-d.
Are Gentile Believers able to be part of the Messianic Community? <<click there

 

[slim]

well, actually, no, it doesn't. All too often believers only take the portions of scripture they want and throw the rest back

The whole section is this:
P'yilut Hashaliachim (Acts) 15: 19-21
19 "Therefore, my opinion is that we should not put obstacles in the way of the Goyim who are turning to God. 20 Instead, we should write them a letter telling them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from fornication, from what is strangled and from blood. 21 For from the earliest times, Moshe has had in every city those who proclaim him, with his words being read in the synagogues every Shabbat."

What is the purpose of Ya'acov the Elder stating this in "verse" 21?? What he had stated is that the minimal level of Torah observance was as stated in 19-20, and that the believers would learn the rest as they attended synagogue and heard the rest taught every Shabbat. Verses 19-20 are the *starting* point, not the ending.

G-d never divided up His law - even in the Decalogue they are not separated. How to worship and when to worship are "ceremonial", while others are moral and still others civil..... Man divided up G-d's instructions into "need to do" and "don't need to do" categories - G-d never did. He stated that His law was forever, until Heaven and Earth pass away, until seed time and harvest cease.... so far so good...... Sun still comes up every morning and the corn still grows

 

[num_me_vexo]

Shalom num_me_vexo,

Hopefully you have read the links I posted in my thread above. The answers are generally short and ARE informative - they are designed ot answer questions such as your's.

Moshe Rosen is an honest man, it is true he is not Messianic, rather he is what is known as a Hebrew Christian Here is a partial answer regarding the relationship of Jewish persons with his belief and Messianic Judaism. Wouldn't all Jews who believe in G-d's Messiah be Messianic Jews? <<click there

Since the person who's beliefs most closley reflect your's is a (Hebrew) Christian, then you are a (Gentile) Christian. Both Christians and Messianics are saved by grace through the sacrifice of Messiah. Neither of us earn our way to righteousness. We both, however, have chosen differing paths in how we serve G-d. Christians do it generally from an historically Western/Hellenistic cultural platform, Messianics generally from an historically Eastern/Jewish cultural platform. While vastly different, our goals are the same, to serve, obey and honor G-d.
Are Gentile Believers able to be part of the Messianic Community? <<click there

shalom,
i did read it and i checked out the news one 2. so how would i obey the torah? is that only the 10 commandments? or are there other laws too to be a messianic jew/gentile?

 

[Henaynei]

shalom,
i did read it and i checked out the new ones 2. so how would i obey the torah? is that only the 10 commandments? or are there other laws too to be a messianic jew/gentile?

Well, let us start with why you think you might want to be a Messianic Gentile??

 

[num_me_vexo]

um...well im curious and im really only looking at the moment, havent made up my mid or anything, i just want to know more baout it. im baptist by the way and from what ive read so far messianic jews have similar beliefs so im intrigued.

 

[mjterry87]

Their are more then ten commandments. Check out this website.



http://jewfaq.org/613.htm

 

[Henaynei]

There are over 600 commandments - but only about 300+ that can currently be kept, that is until the Temple and the Levitical Priesthood are re-established.

The way you learn is by studying - it is not something an answer on a forum will be able to adequately cover. There are numerous web sites and books that can be of emmense help. Reading the entire FAQ and paging back through our forum's previous threads are also an invaluable sources of information on a wide varitey of topics and from several points of views

Here is one that might help.... I do need to finish this
http://www.christianforums.com/t77952

Because we are all believers in Yeshua HaMoshiakh (Jesus the Messiah) you will see similarities between MJism and various Christian theologies. But there are also vast differences, to the degree that most mainstream denominations are very unsure that we are not fallen into heresy.

 

[marc37]

Shalom

Today my dad talked to me about my faith. Now what you have to understand is that my dad does not like Jews, not at all. He thinks that Christanity and Judaism are two very different religions, when they are really not (at least to us). And you know what he said to me, he said "when Jesus came, he abolished the law."


This makes me so mad. Why do Christians think this? I dont know if I asked this before or not, but why? Where does it say not to follow the law? I know in the book of Hebrews, it says something similar to that, but they are talking about sacrificies, right? This makes me so upset. Whys do Christian think this way? Didn't they read Matthew 5:17 (see my signature). I hate it!!!!!!!!!!!

I spent almost my whole free weekend trying to make a calvinist who started an ''we have been set free from the law thread''see that this wasnt so.
geting tired even thinking about it again.............

 

[Henaynei]

I spent almost my whole free weekend trying to make a calvinist who started an we have been set free from the law thread that this wasnt so.
geting tired even thinking about it again.............

LOL "be not weary in well doing!"

 

[ShirChadash]

Because we are all believers in Yeshua HaMoshiakh (Jesus the Messiah) you will see similarities between MJism and various Christian theologies. But there are also vast differences, to the degree that most mainstream denominations are very unsure that we are not fallen into heresy.

Heeheee -- I always thank G-d for making me an "heretic" cuz when I look at what I am "heretical" to... ... but that, uh, doesn't always go over very well depending who I point it out to LOL!

 

[Henaynei]

Heeheee -- I always thank G-d for making me an "heretic" cuz when I look at what I am "heretical" to... ... but that, uh, doesn't always go over very well depending who I point it out to LOL!

we'uns luv ya'!!!

 

[ShirChadash]

Well it's a good thing, I'll tell ya!

 

[Ruhama]

This may seem rude, but I personally rather consider Calvinism heretical.