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Aside from the probably cause document, have any "law enforcement reports" been released? All I've seen are things filtered through Kash Patel and Spencer Cox, neither of whom I trust to be perfectly reliable.
Official statements have been released so far. But I'm sure like with Trump's official medical report, the left will claim it's all fake. Unless the report says what they want to see, then the left will say it's 100 true.
 
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Occam's razor. Who else besides liberal leftists is likely to be.
Well, let's see.
He could be a far right who thought Kirk did not go far enough.
He could be a mentally unstable kid with no particular political leanings.
He could be a Manchurian candidate programed by North Korea
He could be an alien here to destabilize the planet so they can suck up our bodily juices

Occams razor does not help in this situation as the choice is not binary and one explanation is not more succinct then the others
It's a matter of what their social media content looks like.
It's looks, from where I am sitting, as a need to blame one side and score political points and both sides doing it are feeding into the violence and tribalism that is being decried.
 
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Occam's razor. Who else besides liberal leftists is likely to be.
People wanting to make liberal leftists look bad.

It could also just be AI generated content. Have you independently verified these are real accounts saying this stuff?
 
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Well, let's see.
He could be a far right who thought Kirk did not go far enough.
He could be a mentally unstable kid with no particular political leanings.
He could be a Manchurian candidate programs by North Korea
He could be an alien here to destabilize the planet so they can suck up our bodily juices

Occams razor does not help in this situation as the choice is not binary and one explanation is not more succinct then the others
I was asking what other group could have been posting all of those social media posts celebrating Kirk's demise.
It's looks, from where I am sitting, as a need to blame one side and score political points and both sides doing it are feeding into the violence and tribalism that is being decried.
Not sure what that has to do with what someone's social media posts show about them.
 
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I was asking what other group could have been posting all of those social media posts celebrating Kirk's demise.

Not sure what that has to do with what someone's social media posts show about them.
OK. My misunderstanding. It still leaves you with nothing but supposition about who is doing what. How does that help defuse the tribalism?
 
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People wanting to make liberal leftists look bad.

It could also just be AI generated content. Have you independently verified these are real accounts saying this stuff?
Nah, those TikTok and Instagram et al accounts have a history. Unless you want to pretend they all were fake accounts created months/years in advance, in anticipation of the assassination just to make that one celebration post.
 
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OK. My misunderstanding. It still leaves you with nothing but supposition about who is doing what. How does that help defuse the tribalism?
Again, there's their social media content history. For instance there are thousands of posts I've made here on CF that make it quite clear that I'm a conservative Christian anti-liberalism right-winger.
 
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People wanting to make liberal leftists look bad.

It could also just be AI generated content. Have you independently verified these are real accounts saying this stuff?

I asked AI if it was creating fake news and it replied "no".
 
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Again, there's their social media content history. For instance there are thousands of posts I've made here on CF that make it quite clear that I'm a conservative Christian anti-liberalism right-winger.
Well, as long as we know who to blame, that is the only important piece. Make sure to hate on them while calling out their hatred and intolerance.
 
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Unless you want to pretend they all were fake accounts created months/years in advance, in anticipation of the assassination just to make that one celebration post.

It's not beyond possibly, remember the fake birth announcements placed in Hawaiian news papers back in the 1960s in anticipation of Barack Hussain Obama becoming president.
 
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It's not beyond possibly, remember the fake birth announcements placed in Hawaiian news papers back in the 1960s in anticipation of Barack Hussain Obama becoming president.
That's cute, but hardly comparable.
 
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Well, as long as we know who to blame, that is the only important piece. Make sure to hate on them while calling out their hatred and intolerance.
Thanks for misattributing your ideas onto me.
 
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"Make sure to hate on them" is all you, along with the insinuation that I'm out to hate others.
Is it? Your posts in this thread have broad brushed all "leftists" and claimed they "hate" Charlie Kirk. Does spreading malicious innuendo constitute good will?
 
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Is it? Your posts in this thread have broad brushed all "leftists" and claimed they "hate" Charlie Kirk. Does spreading malicious innuendo constitute good will?
I said many leftists hated Charlie Kirk. Just like many right-wingers hate say AOC. Many Americans on both sides hate lima beans. Which you would no doubt quote me as saying all Americans hate lima beans, and then ask me if spreading malicious inuendo against Americans or lima beans constitutes good will.
 
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I said many leftists hated Charlie Kirk. Just like many right-wingers hate say AOC. Many Americans on both sides hate lima beans. Which you would no doubt quote me as saying all Americans hate lima beans, and then ask me if spreading malicious inuendo against Americans or lima beans constitutes good will.
<Roll eyes>

Yes yes. It is unthinkable that I could view your posts as trying to pin blame on "The Left" because your words have been so measured.
 
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Most of them at some level, though none are exclusive. This article covers a bit of it:

Charlie Kirk suspect spoke the language of the far-Right
Ridiculous article. The first thing mentioned is a mistake or a lie. The slav squat did not come from Pepe. The squat predates Pepe. The rest of the stuff is not worth addressing as it amounts to saying "The shooter sometimes eats eggs for breakfast. GROYPERS DO THAT TOO!!!"

Fuentes is probably scared.
He was probably scared before this happened. He's already had someone try to kill him and several incidents of weirdos showing up at his residence since he got doxed.
 
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