Israel's war with Hamas - the usual or beginning of the end?

[vinsight4u]

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[Big Mouth Nana]

I think that Ezek's gog goes against Israel for the purpose of plundering and looting. When Ezek's gog happens, Israel will have been regathered back to her land (therefore, living in safety as opposed to scattered) but ignorant of God.

Israel is pretty much regathered already. They started returning in 1948, and it was a pretty steady influx for several years. They didn't know where they were going to put everyone coming in, so they had to have a mass building project of apartments. When I read about this a few years ago, it was stated that the last ones to come in were the Russian Jews, and even they are still returning..
I don't see how you can say that they will be living in safety when they have never lived in safety. The only safe times that they are going to have on this earth is one weeks false peace from the Antichrist, during the millennium when Satan is bound, and when Christ rules from Jerusalem. Anyone who thinks that Israel is ever going to have peace before then is dreaming. She is to hated by the Muslim world

 

[Covenant Heart]

They're Also Leaving.

Immigration to eretz Ys'rael has been in decline for some time. And while it is a well-guarded secret, the number of people immigrating now lags behind those emmigrating. Not that anyone could blame them.

Plenty of young Israelis believe that theirs is the last generation. The state has largely forsaken Jewish ideals and is so evil that it is apt to collapse under the weight of its own corruption.

Ditto for us in the Benighted States of Amnesia.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Israel is pretty much regathered already. They started returning in 1948, and it was a pretty steady influx for several years. They didn't know where they were going to put everyone coming in, so they had to have a mass building project of apartments. When I read about this a few years ago, it was stated that the last ones to come in were the Russian Jews, and even they are still returning..
I don't see how you can say that they will be living in safety when they have never lived in safety. The only safe times that they are going to have on this earth is one weeks false peace from the Antichrist, during the millennium when Satan is bound, and when Christ rules from Jerusalem. Anyone who thinks that Israel is ever going to have peace before then is dreaming. She is to hated by the Muslim world

Well, the "safety" that Israel enjoys right now is opposed to scattered to the four corners of the earth. For nearly 2000 years, after Rome came against them, they were scattered, homeless, rootless, tossed out of country after country, which culminated in their near annihilation in the holocaust. Israel, the people, are safely back in their land. They have a government, an army, and a homeland.

If we really look at Ezek 38/39, it doesn't really describe them living in peace...go to the Hebrew.

http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/Hebrew_Index.htm

 

[Bible2]

Israel's fight with Hamas won't effectively take out Hamas, just as
Israel's fight with Hizballah didn't effectively take out Hizballah.

To truly root out Hamas from the Gaza strip, Israel would have to
arrest and imprison every young Palestinian male living in Gaza, so
that Hamas won't be able to simply recruit new grunts to replace
the hundreds killed by the IDF.

Ultimately, Israel doesn't care about Hamas, but about Hamas'
ability to acquire missiles and shoot them into Israel, and its ability
to send suicide bombers into Israel.

Israel placed the Gaza strip under siege in order to try to keep
missiles from entering the Gaza strip and suicide bombers from
coming out of it. Although the latter goal was reached, the former
wasn't because of missile-smuggling tunnels dug underneath the
border between the Gaza strip and Egypt.

What Israel has to do is place steel and concrete barrier-walls
underground all along that border, to block any tunnels.

The problem is that no matter how deep Israel buries the barrier-
walls, Hamas will simply dig the tunnels deeper, so as to go
underneath the barriers.

To prevent this from happening, Israel would have to have control
over every house, every covered location within Gaza from where a
tunnel into Egypt could be started.

But Israel isn't interested in permanently occupying every last inch
of the hellhole of the Gaza strip. Such an occupation would result in
a slow, cruel, war of attrition whereby IDF soldiers would be killed
and captured regularly by Hamas guerrillas.

In lieu of occupying the Gaza strip, in order to prevent tunnels,
Israel would have to have control over every house, every covered
location on Egypt's side of the border.

But Egypt won't ever permit Israel to have control of any part of its
territory, and probably will balk at a U.N. force controlling any part
of it either.

Egypt could say that it will "step up its measures" in combatting the
tunnel operations on its side of the border, but the Egyptian military
and police forces could get slack and stop checking every house and
covered location regularly, or start taking hefty bribes from Hamas to
look the other way.

Another problem is that tunnel operations within houses can be
hidden if there's enough warning of an impending inspection of the
houses. Hamas could buy through bribes enough people within the
Egyptian military and police forces to give Hamas a heads up of
where inspections are planned to occur. Hamas could then clean the
dirt out of the houses where tunnel openings are and place plywood
and rugs over the tunnel openings to hide them during an inspection.

What Israel could do to locate any tunnels that have breached the
border is to fly helicopters with powerful ground-penetrating radar
along the border daily. But these helicopters could be shot at by
Hamas guerrillas so that they crash and burn.

So there's really no foolproof way for Israel to keep tunnels from
continuing to be dug.

Even if the U.N. agrees to get heavily involved in patrolling the
Gaza strip and and searching for tunnel-operations on both sides of
the border, Egypt and Hamas probably wouldn't agree to any real
U.N. control over the Gaza strip or border area. And if Egypt agrees,
and Hamas is forced to accept U.N. control of the Gaza strip, all
Hamas would have to do is blow up the U.N. headquarters in the
Gaza strip with a truck bomb, and the U.N. would withdraw its
presence there, just as the U.N. withdrew its presence from Iraq
after the blowing up of its headquarters there. (The U.S. could have
secretly arranged for that, in order to be left in sole control of Iraq.)

So Israel ultimately will be left alone with its Hamas problem, and
there's no way to resolve it. It's like an inoperable cancer that
comes back again and again no matter how drastic the treatment.
The best Israel can hope for is to contain Hamas within the Gaza
strip, and slow down Hamas' rearmament.

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The Gog/Magog invasion of Israel (Ezekiel chapters 38-39) will
happen after the millennium (Revelation 20:7-9). Nothing in Ezekiel
chapters 38-39 requires that it will happen before the millennium.