Israel's future and Pat: Your view

Jesus Is Real · Feb 5, 2006

Fotios said:
It's a beautiful article.
God said that in the Old Testamen..remember The Old Testament/Old Covenant has be replaced by the New...I I don't have to regard that passage.

Fotios,

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Gen 12:1-3
12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
KJV

Gal 3:8
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
KJV

Matt 25:45
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.KJV

Fotios said:
I don't have to regard that passage.

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Well it is the Gospel that was ALSO preached to ABRAHAM, of whom you say you don't have to REGARD????

If Christ is in you, He IS Highly regarding this Word in you, if you are Jesus' sheep. But you say you don't have to regard this passage so If Jesus in you isn't Regarding this Word then what is Jesus doing in you? Jesus blessed the people - the Jew's - HE WAS "THE BLESSING" FOR THE WHOLE WORLD EVEN BEFORE ABRAHAM was - those who came to HIM HE BLESSED. Those who have come to Jesus bless as well. So if you bless any of those who believe and those who will believe you are blessed. If you do it unto them - you do it unto JESUS HIMSELF, friend.

If you do it to the least of these my brethren, the Jew's included who believe on Jesus and who will believe in the future to the Jew first and then to the gentile, he does it unto me -- NEW TESTAMENT. WE ALL WHO BELIEVE ARE BOUND TO LOVE AS JESUS LOVED.

Matt 25:40
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. KJV

See it still applies - Not one Word of God has been replaced.
Much still has to be FULFILLED, in your own heart,....in mine as well and the like.

What has been replaced is that God's Law is no longer to be on stone, as the Ten Commandments were written on - to show us our stony hearts. But God's very Law will be written on your hearts of flesh to LIVE IT OUT NOW being in Christ through His Life - if you/me/we are HIS - God's Law of Liberty now it's called!!!.....it's near you - even in your mouth and in your heart if you have believed Jesus. If you don't hear Moses you will never hear Jesus' Words - to love God and to love (bless) your neighbor. Arabs are our neighbors and so are the Jew's. Just look in your heart, God's Law's are there,.....when you curse you are cursed, when you bless you are blessed. As you do it to God's Believers be they Jew or Gentile you will be doing it unto Jesus. As you bless Israel, even if it's just whole heartedly praying for them for Salvation, you are blessed. But if you grow weary and start boasting against the root that is holding you you are warned in The Law of God that you will be near unto being cursed and cut off. Please hear this, in your heart.

Gal 3:9-16
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Gal 3:17-29
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
KJV

Rom 3:23-31
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:

30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

So we don't 'NOT DISHONOR OUR PARENTS do we, since certain Words in the Old testament don't apply to us any longer? No,...God forbid!!! We Establish it. We do it because it's Christ by Faith in our hearts who is Working out Righteousness in us!!

Our Faith keeps on going back to 'the beginning' in Genesis!!!

Those who have ears let them hear,
Connie

Jesus Is Real · Feb 5, 2006

GraceInHim said:
comment - when the destruction of Jerusalem took place, it was 70 ad.. John's Revelation was not written until 95 ad.. John was caught up in the spirit and seen heaven and the end.. so those who say Israel is over with.. needs to explain the early Prophets about Jesus returning to Mt. Zion.. saying that 70ad was the kingdom of God on earth seems as Full Preterism..

Ah you wrote out your name,.....precious. I like it.

Good post,....nice insight on the time or 70 AD verses 95 AD.

Just know the Truth,.....and then let HIM--JESUS set you even more free-er!

GraceInHim · Feb 5, 2006

jsisrl said:
Ah you wrote out your name,.....precious. I like it.

Good post,....nice insight on the time or 70 AD verses 95 AD.

Just know the Truth,.....and then let HIM--JESUS set you even more free-er!

the feast of trumpets is a good read

Jesus Is Real · Feb 5, 2006

GraceInHim said:
the feast of trumpets is a good read

yes it is........TO STILL BE FULFILLED BY CHRIST 'LITERALLY'.

Have you read this section in 'Bookers' book yet that I sent you?

Peace,
Connie

GraceInHim · Feb 5, 2006

jsisrl said:
yes it is........TO STILL BE FULFILLED BY CHRIST 'LITERALLY'.

Have you read this section in 'Bookers' book yet that I sent you?

Peace,
Connie

not yet.. reading the other one.. by Green..

GraceInHim · Feb 5, 2006

Hey, I got the movie "The Gospel of Matthew, awesome!! he talks more in this movie and it is longer.. must watch.. verse by verse.. also got Acts

Scholar in training · Feb 5, 2006

See it still applies - Not one Word of God has been replaced.

Your conclusion about Israel depends largely on who "the least" of Jesus' brothers is; if it is all humanity or if it is just "Israelis".

So we don't 'NOT DISHONOR OUR PARENTS do we, since certain Words in the Old testament don't apply to us any longer? No,...God forbid!!! We Establish it. We do it because it's Christ by Faith in our hearts who is Working out Righteousness in us!!

A person can still accept the Ten Commandments and deny that we "establish the Law" by adhering to (for example) ritual cleanness as it is found in the Law.

OnTheWay · Feb 5, 2006

No one said "Israel" was over, the fact of the matter is that as Jesus Christ taught, the kingdom has been given to everyone. We know from the teachings of St. Paul that if you belong to Christ you are made into Abraham's heir. Thus the house of Israel is the Church.
Most modern Jews are no more decended from Abraham than I am. The stereotypical "Jew" of Nazi propaganda for example is based on the Khazar physical appearence. Those people come from south western Asia and are NOT Semities as where/are Shepardic Jews (who are really the decendants of Abraham). Furthermore, intermarriage has been a common problem for Jews for centuries. If we are going to limit Israel to those who really have at least some blood relation to Abraham we're talking about a tiny group of people.
Ironically, Shepardic Jews (ie those who are related to Abraham) are often mistreated in Israel because they look like the Arabic Muslim population.
The new covenant isn't the destruction of the old, it is the transformation of the old into the catholic (universal) salvation of mankind. Hence, as St. Paul tells us, there is no room in the new image for Jew or Greek.

GraceInHim · Feb 5, 2006

Jesus Is Real · Feb 5, 2006

GraceInHim said:
not yet.. reading the other one.. by Green..

Ah........what an honor to read this man's book!!

Have you listened to any of those tapes yes?

I think in time you will more see where I'm coming from since Milton nails it regarding LOVE!!!

Jesus Is Real · Feb 5, 2006

GraceInHim said:

As Mr. Crush says in "Finding Nemo", "No Worries dude."

Love is Patient, Love is Kind hearted,...
Connie

Jesus Is Real · Feb 5, 2006

GraceInHim said:
not yet.. reading the other one.. by Green..

What chapter are you on???

GraceInHim · Feb 5, 2006

jsisrl said:
What chapter are you on???

6.. liked the feast book .. really explained some of the feast days being fulfilled by Jesus..

Jesus Is Real · Feb 5, 2006

Scholar in training said:
Your conclusion about Israel depends largely on who "the least" of Jesus' brothers is; if it is all humanity or if it is just "Israelis".

A person can still accept the Ten Commandments and deny that we "establish the Law" by adhering to (for example) ritual cleanness as it is found in the Law.

No ones talking about cleansing,.....but the Law is Spiritual.
Jesus is working out even cleansing in you daily, if you are His,...the Law is Spiritual.

But,.....
What's the GREATEST COMMANDMENT?

Jesus Is Real · Feb 5, 2006

GraceInHim said:
6.. liked the feast book .. really explained some of the feast days being fulfilled by Jesus..

Yeah Booker, so far,...is the best one out there. A very humble man,....very practical in seeing Jesus without the frus-frus stuff.

Chapter 6 of Milton's,.....Chapter 6 The Harlot Church Today,....wow great hold on to your hat on that chapter. And take your time reading this chapter.

You'll find ourself reading certain chapters over and over again in time. I have for 17 years now. When I wanted to bite off my son's father's head I would read key chapters that pointing me right back directly to God's Word that helped me die all over again - daily - lest I give in to my flesh nature.

Connie

GraceInHim · Feb 5, 2006

cleansing

Jesus Is Real · Feb 5, 2006

GraceInHim said:
cleansing

You got it Baby!!!

Scholar in training · Feb 5, 2006

jsisrl said:
No ones talking about cleansing,.....but the Law is Spiritual.

What do you mean by spiritual? What does this have to do with establishing the Law in a thread about Messianic Jews and futurism?

But,.....
What's the GREATEST COMMANDMENT?

To love God with all your heart, soul, and strength.

GraceInHim · Feb 5, 2006

jsisrl said:
You got it Baby!!!

LOL.. so cute.. going to watch my movie and go to sleep nite nite..

Jesus Is Real · Feb 5, 2006

Scholar in training said:
What do you mean by spiritual? What does this have to do with establishing the Law in a thread about Messianic Jews and futurism?

To love God with all your heart, soul, and strength.

Meaning it's being worked out in spirit's who are alive unto God - we who are Spiritual in Christ. Everything that God has said, He wants it to be living in the inside of your spirit-man - to have Jesus there who IS GOD'S VERY WORD INSIDE OF YOU, which He foreknew and foretold even Abraham about. To be then inside of your heart. In my heart through God's Kind Love. His Very Word is living in the inside of us now, in our spirit-man - The Law is Spiritual. Jesus in us disregards none of God's Word - for HIS IS GOD'S WORD now come in our hearts,
in your heart. If you believe.

What ever God HATH SAID,.....as instructions to men are of His Kingdom and of His Nature and Character.
If you are His,.....His Instructions are being worked out in you now. In me Now. What He instructed in Genesis
is of His Nature and Ways. If you are His,.....His Ways - His Way is to be in you Now.
What God has said in His Word to man who was weak couldn't do it perfectly,....but when Jesus came His life who did it perfectly is Working His Word out in us through Him right now.

JESUS IS LORD, IN US NOW.

And the second is like unto the first,.....which is that Law Scholar in training? Can you even believe it?

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Peace in the Middle East.

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