Israel/Palestine

[Azad]

What would you propose to resolve the conflict??

 

[ShirChadash]

Moshiach's return.

 

[ShirChadash]

Oh, I know that probably came off flippantly. I'm sorry. Let me just say I highly doubt there is going to be any real ending to the conflict before Yeshua returns.

 

[Azad]

Nobody knows when he will return...
it might take a while...

I would also like to know, what you think of the conflict? whose right whose wrong? is it as simple as black and white?

 

[Toney]

Nobody knows when he will return...
it might take a while...

Then again, it might not. The only thing I see in black or white is the survival of the State of Israel. The Palestinian leadership does not want peace, rather the total annihilation of Israel.

In any regard, this conflict IMHO is well beyond diplomatic solution. One could reasonably argue that the first phase of the Battle of Armageddon began on November 29, 1947.

 

[ShirChadash]

 

[visionary]

Moshiach's return.

AMen

 

[Flavius665]

What would you propose to resolve the conflict??

I really believe that there could come a peace if everyone were forced into seeing that all paganism goes back to just one person as Hyslop prooved in his book the two Babylons.Everyone is touched by Tammuz the resurected Nimrod for instance,when you go to wallmart and buy something ,you further the cause of Tammuz. We were told not to eat meat sacrificed to idols.In that time that meant that you had to know for sure that the market owner wasn't pagan.Pagan sacrifices were half burned and the other half was sold at the market to fund their pagan religion.It might sound silly but a market that makes money at advertizing paganism and makes your dollars from doing so involves you in the furthering and promoting paganism
Every ruler of Babylon has always built a statue and cause people to worship that statue,Saddam Hussein was no diffrent,his statues stand all over Old Babylon and he himself think he is the resurected nebarchenezra,his official seal is his face imposed against Nebarchenezra's. He built his statue in front of the voting booths and all who didn't vote for him were killed. I don't see him as the anti-christ but He did things that ties him to it.The anti-christ has always been the same person.Tammuz. that's why John writes in revelations that his name means 666 .and sais a wise man can consider it.A wise man is someone who knows Torah and finds the 666 in the scriptures. In Ezekiel 8 people die on 666 for weeping for Tammuz,The 144000 are sealed there also for not weeping for Tammuz.If this concept were true then everything would be about harvest festivals and what you celebrate. I believe the forbidden fruit was a forbidden harvest and that they tried to cloth themselves with the wrong harvest but then G-d gave them the first Passover lamb when he clothed them. Then cain celebrated the wrong harvest festival,ect a perfect number 144000 meaning 12 times 12 times a thousand meaning Hashem will leave none behind that are called Israel.Well I don't believe a peace can happen just because G-d said that all nations will be against Israel until he comes to do battle but we have to try dont we?

 

[Henaynei]

Well I don't believe a peace can happen, just because G-d said that all nations will be against Israel until he comes to do battle, but we have to try dont we?

No, I'm not at all sure we have to try the way that political correctness and the Left are forcing down Israel's throat. She will choke on it and more of her children will die!

You can't make peace with people whose core belief and mandate is your destruction, who teach nursery rhymes in their public daycares about Jews being dogs and who put on cute kindergarted plays about killing Jews.

There is a fundamental difference - we want peace, they want the whole piece.

See my sig.............

 

[visionary]

No, I'm not at all sure we have to try the way that political correctness and the Left are forcing down Israel's throat. She will choke on it and more of her children will die!

You can't make peace with people whose core belief and mandate is your destruction, who teach nursery rhymes in their public daycares about Jews being dogs and who put on cute kindergarted plays about killing Jews.

There is a fundamental difference - we want peace, they want the whole piece.

See my sig.............

It is pointed out in prophecy that the political, religious, enviromental and financial picture give us and indication as to what phase we are in prophetically. These we look at for that understanding. But the Ceremonial Feasts Prophetic teachings tell us what we are to do and prepare for, and that is Christ's return. Let's not take our eyes off what Jesus is doing in the temple in heaven on our behalf, let us not get so caught up in this world that we forget what Jesus was us to do. We are to prepare our hearts, minds, and bodies for his marriage of completeness and perfection. We are to become like Him who is our example. That is where the winners of this race are.

 

[Henaynei]

It is pointed out in prophecy that the political, religious, enviromental and financial picture give us and indication as to what phase we are in prophetically. These we look at for that understanding. But the Ceremonial Feasts Prophetic teachings tell us what we are to do and prepare for, and that is Christ's return. Let's not take our eyes off what Jesus is doing in the temple in heaven on our behalf, let us not get so caught up in this world that we forget what Jesus was us to do. We are to prepare our hearts, minds, and bodies for his marriage of completeness and perfection. We are to become like Him who is our example. That is where the winners of this race are.

I chose to do 3:
know "what phase" we are in
understand and prepare for His return
and fight for the safety and security of His people here and now, in what ways I can, including prayer

We can not afford to let them win.... because it will mean the end of Israel.... and we have no place else to go.......

 

[Azad]

Can any one give me Bible verses that support the fact that the jews would eventually come back to ISrael?? I know they exist, I just don't know where to find them....

Henaynei I understand your bitterness but I think the hate is on both sides...
I don't think Palestinians want the destruction of ISrael, Palestians are one thing, Hamass and Islamic Jihad is another...

Another thing that kinda bothers me, most Jews in Israel are Hashkenaz Jews, meaning they are europeans (Khazars) and not hebrews, who converted to Judaism during the 10th-12th centuary AD

 

[Henaynei]

Henaynei I understand your bitterness but I think the hate is on both sides...

Yes, you are right.

I don't think Palestinians want the destruction of ISrael, Palestians are one thing, Hamass and Islamic Jihad is another...

No, you are wrong. The PLO charter still calls for the destruction of the "Zionist Entity." Originally penned in 1968 it was supposed to have been revised to remove that as part of the Oslo accord Arafat got a Nobel Prize for signing (but never implementing). It has NEVER been ammended. In 1974 they embarked upon a new three-stage strategy for Israel's destruction known as The Phased Plan. This has not been recinded either, in fact you can see the steps of it's implememtation in action in your headlines. Note too the design of the official emblem of the PLO - it comprises the ENTIRE STATE of Israel.

Another thing that kinda bothers me, most Jews in Israel are Hashkenaz Jews, meaning they are europeans (Khazars) and not hebrews, who converted to Judaism during the 10th-12th centuary AD

I am sorry you have accepted that as truth - it is another case of disseminated misinformation put out as truth and accepted as truth, thus fulfilling it's goal, the further erosion of support for the Jews.

It is true that a group of Khazars did convert to Judaism. They were a small group of people and were by no means a significant number within the European Jewish community which has existed in strong numbers for hundreds of years long prior to that. It may even be true that Jews went through the Khazar kingdom and swept the converts with them, carrying their regional designation as well. But that in no way makes the Jews not Jews.

Ashkenazi (Ashkenazim)
A word that today refers to Jewish people whose origins lie in Eastern Europe and in the religious traditions of medieval German Judaism. Originally, the term referred to Jews who occupied the Askenaz region between Armenia and the upper Euphrates River, but its meaning subsequently expanded to include Jews in northwestern Europe and later in Northern and Eastern Europe, including Russia.

 

[ShirChadash]

^ that post, Henaynei, bears repeating. I think I'll bump the thread instead of quote you... I hope everyone wandering into the MJ forum sees that post.

 

[ILY]

Shalom all,
I pray everyone and your respected loved ones are well.

Azad,

Eze 37:1 The hand of the LORD was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the LORD, and set me down in the midst of the valley which [was] full of bones,


Eze 37:2 And caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, [there were] very many in the open valley; and, lo, [they were] very dry.


Eze 37:3 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord GOD, thou knowest.


Eze 37:4 Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD.


Eze 37:5 Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:


Eze 37:6 And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I [am] the LORD.


Eze 37:7 So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.


Eze 37:8 And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but [there was] no breath in them.


Eze 37:9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.


Eze 37:10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.


Eze 37:11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.


Eze 37:12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.


Eze 37:13 And ye shall know that I [am] the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,


Eze 37:14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken [it], and performed [it], saith the LORD.


Eze 37:15 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,


Eze 37:16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and [for] all the house of Israel his companions:


Eze 37:17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.


Eze 37:18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou [meanest] by these?


Eze 37:19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which [is] in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, [even] with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.


Eze 37:20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.


Eze 37:21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:


Eze 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:


Eze 37:23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.


Eze 37:24 And David my servant [shall be] king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.


Eze 37:25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, [even] they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David [shall be] their prince for ever.


Eze 37:26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.


Eze 37:27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.


Eze 37:28 And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.


I pray that helps.

Shalom v' shalom
ILY

 

[Henaynei]

I pray that helps.

Shalom v' shalom
ILY

It certainly does!! Good work!!!

 

[Azad]

No, you are wrong. The PLO charter still calls for the destruction of the "Zionist Entity." Originally penned in 1968 it was supposed to have been revised to remove that as part of the Oslo accord Arafat got a Nobel Prize for signing (but never implementing). It has NEVER been ammended. In 1974 they embarked upon a new three-stage strategy for Israel's destruction known as The Phased Plan. This has not been recinded either, in fact you can see the steps of it's implememtation in action in your headlines. Note too the design of the official emblem of the PLO - it comprises the ENTIRE STATE of Israel.

You are right BUT you find the same way of thinking in the founders of Israel Who believe that Israel is the entire PAlestine, part of syria, jordan and the sinai region. Eretz Israel is a common ideology among the current Israeli government.

I am sorry you have accepted that as truth - it is another case of disseminated misinformation put out as truth and accepted as truth, thus fulfilling it's goal, the further erosion of support for the Jews.

It is true that a group of Khazars did convert to Judaism. They were a small group of people and were by no means a significant number within the European Jewish community which has existed in strong numbers for hundreds of years long prior to that. It may even be true that Jews went through the Khazar kingdom and swept the converts with them, carrying their regional designation as well. But that in no way makes the Jews not Jews.

Ashkenazi (Ashkenazim)
A word that today refers to Jewish people whose origins lie in Eastern Europe and in the religious traditions of medieval German Judaism. Originally, the term referred to Jews who occupied the Askenaz region between Armenia and the upper Euphrates River, but its meaning subsequently expanded to include Jews in northwestern Europe and later in Northern and Eastern Europe, including Russia.

If I am wrong correct me, but give me historical sources to back up your claims...

 

[Henaynei]

You are right BUT you find the same way of thinking in the founders of Israel Who believe that Israel is the entire PAlestine, part of syria, jordan and the sinai region. Eretz Israel is a common ideology among the current Israeli government.

True, the biblical area that G-d has promised to Israel includeds all those areas. However, Israel has accepted a MUCH smaller area and has NEVER fought a war of aggression - only wars of defense. She has NEVER taken or demanded any land beyond what she has EXCEPT when she was attacked. In fact, the land she now has is much smaller than that granted her in the original UN charter. And when she did win more land in battles of her defense (Sinai), she returned it to the aggressor - something totally unheard of in world history. Eretz Israel, in todays usage means Israel as it stands today. Israeli government officials and miliraty do NOT have as their official state seal an emblem that outlines syria, jordan and the sinai.

Also, the destruction of another people and the annexation of their land is absolutely not part of any political or social charter, constitution or plan in the State of Isreal - but it IS for the PLO. Israel is trying to live in security and still figure out how to leave in peace with the PLO. The PLO is trying to figure out how to drive "the Zionist entity" from the land and into the Sea.

Very, very different.

If I am wrong correct me, but give me historical sources to back up your claims...

Actually I think the burden of proof is on the one making the original assertion.

I invite you present historical sources, not from anti-semetic sites and not from anti-israel sites, that back up you claim.

b'Shalom
Henaynei

 

[Flavius]

I chose to do 3:
know "what phase" we are in
understand and prepare for His return
and fight for the safety and security of His people here and now, in what ways I can, including prayer



Don't worry America Israel is behind you


That's just how it is too.It's a good thing that Israel sent in those two 5-16's to bomb Bagdads neuclear facility before the war,we might have been fighting a diffrent battle.
Yea that dude flew that mission,the same one that reached space only to die over the fields of Palistine Texas.

 

[ShirChadash]

Yea that dude flew that mission,the same one that reached space only to die over the fields of Palistine Texas.

Is that right? I had no idea he was part of taking out that facility!