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Neither do I. Supporters of Hamas do. Hamas needs to be destroyed.Just in case you are misled, or mistaken, I do not support acts of terror, or the taking of hostages, by either side, and I do not support the killing indiscriminately of civilians but either side.
I am not sure that will produce the result you desire. Often in history, we have seen this type of approach give birth to something even worse. We need better solutions, not simply more of the same. Christ came into the world, not to destroy us, but to teach us we could be better.Neither do I. Supporters of Hamas do. Hamas needs to be destroyed.
Certainly, supporting them won't do....I am not sure that will produce the result you desire. Often in history, we have seen this type of approach give birth to something even worse. We need better solutions, not simply more of the same. Christ came into the world, not to destroy us, but to teach us we could be better.
Baloney. In the middle east there is enough evil men who want power and control and will use hatred to gain it.Terrorism and support for terroist groups is a symptom and terrorism activities will continue until the cause of those symptoms is addressed.
The majority of the senior Taliban leadership fled Afghanistan. The rank-and-file fighters remained in the country and went underground until the resurgence.
The conflict between Israel and the Palestinians isn't about religion.
It's about land rights and decades of injustices that have been committed against the Palestinian people.
If radical Islam was the root cause of the conflict, how do you explain Arab Christians being at the forefront of the Palestinian nationalist movement?
How do you explain secular terrorist groups like the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine,
the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine,
and the Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades,
two of which were founded by Christians, and all at some point being led by Christians?
Israel respecting a Palestinian state and improving the lives of the Palestinian people should have been done long before the October 7th terrorist attack against Israel and is long overdue.
Once again, Hamas is a symptom, and the root cause of the conflict revolves around land rights and decades of injustices that have been committed against the Palestinian people.
ISIS still has a presence in Iraq and Syria
Not entirely true, and possibly an oversimplification.Terrorism is strictly tied to Islam though.
Many think this is an oversimplification. I suggest you watch (rewatch) Lawrence of Arabia, as a movie it is almost timeless, and whilst it may represent historical fiction from 50 years ago, it has enough of the historical facts in order to ask of us some biting questions rather that simply come to this conclusion.The root problems are the Palestinians.
He who has ears, let him hearCertainly, supporting them won't do....
The majority of the senior Taliban leadership fled Afghanistan. The rank-and-file fighters remained in the country and went underground until the resurgence.
The conflict between Israel and the Palestinians isn't about religion. It's about land rights and decades of injustices that have been committed against the Palestinian people. If radical Islam was the root cause of the conflict, how do you explain Arab Christians being at the forefront of the Palestinian nationalist movement? How do you explain secular terrorist groups like the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, and the Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, two of which were founded by Christians, and all at some point being led by Christians? Each of these groups have both Muslims and Christians among their ranks and have been fighting against Israel and launching terrorist attacks against them for decades and continue to do so today.
Israel respecting a Palestinian state and improving the lives of the Palestinian people should have been done long before the October 7th terrorist attack against Israel and is long overdue. If a Palestinian state is established at some point in the future, it won't be because of Hamas; it will be because it's the correct action to take.
Once again, Hamas is a symptom, and the root cause of the conflict revolves around land rights and decades of injustices that have been committed against the Palestinian people.
ISIS still has a presence in Iraq and Syria and has remained the world’s deadliest terrorist group each year for the past nine years, with tens of thousands of members globally. ISIS and its affiliates haven't gone anywhere, and they have no problems recruiting new members.
Not entirely true, and possibly an oversimplification.
I am not an american, however I understand your point. We have a different list in Australia where right wing fascists are also prominent. I dont like them either.Here's our own State Department's list of terrorist organizations.
If you don't see a pattern forming in the first 50 terrorist organizations...let me know. I'll point out that we can much more easily count all the ones that aren't Islamic than the ones that are.
It's a weird argument to have...but I understand that the left, in particular, has done a lot to try and diminish the threat of Islamic terrorism in the minds of US citizens. That's fine. I'm not trying to convince you that you're under any real threat of terrorism. I'm simply pointing out that if we look at the majority of terrorist groups, across the entire world, there are....for some reason.....far far far more Islamic terrorist groups than any other kind....by a lot. It's not even remotely close.
Perhaps it's worth considering why that is....after all, Israel can't be to blame for all of them. At least, not by anyone reasonable or sane.
Just as Hamas' senior leadership is outside of the Palestinian territories, so are the senior members of the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine, but the group does have branches in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip with a terrorist wing in the Gaza Strip. This group carried out seven terrorist attacks between 2010 and 2020 and is currently fighting against Israel in Gaza.A Syrian based organization that's not known for anything since the 1970s.
Talking about today, @JosephZ .
Defunct?The mainly defunct group from the 60s and 70s that the above group split from.
The Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades is a separate terrorist organization and is not the military wing of either the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine or the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. It carried out 27 attacks between 2010 and 2020 and like the PFLP participated in the October 7th terrorist attack and is currently fighting in Gaza .The military wing of the above group that's participated in maybe a dozen of the hundreds if not thousands of attacks committed by radical Islamic Hamas fighters in the Gaza Strip over the last 20 years or so.
More like 40%.No offense, but this is a sad argument.
You found a couple of non-Muslims in the area who account for maybe <1% of all the deaths and attacks rained upon innocent Israelis in the last 50 years.
Good story.The majority of the senior Taliban leadership fled Afghanistan. The rank-and-file fighters remained in the country and went underground until the resurgence.
If it were about land rights the Palestinians would lay off because the land belonged to British who got it from the Ottoman Empire. And the Jews got it from the British. They had thr land rights.It's about land rights and decades of injustices that have been committed against the Palestinian people.
There has been NO injustices. Particularly in Gaza where the Jews actually left. The Palestinians have always gotten what they deserved. If you are talking about Justice.injustices that have been committed against the Palestinian people.
Yeah, radicals come in all colors. The Islamists started this fight and other radicals joined because they are all evil terrorists. And evil terrorists come in various flavors. But the DFLP wouldn't be there if it weren't for the radical Arabs.radical Islam was the root cause of the conflict, how do you explain Arab Christians being at the forefront of the Palestinian nationalist movement? How do you explain secular terrorist groups like the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, and the Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, two of which were founded by Christians, and all at some point being led by Christians? Each of these groups have both Muslims and Christians among their ranks and have been fighting against Israel and launching terrorist attacks against them for decades and continue to do so today.
Muslims are the largest groups of terrorism and are responsible for the largest amounts of terrorist deaths. By far.Just as Hamas' senior leadership is outside of the Palestinian territories, so are the senior members of the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine, but the group does have branches in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip with a terrorist wing in the Gaza Strip. This group carried out seven terrorist attacks between 2010 and 2020 and is currently fighting against Israel in Gaza.
A number of other Palestinian factions began to report on new operations, including Islamic Jihad, the Mujahideen Movement, the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, which also released a statement saying that it "holds the American administration fully responsible for the renewal of aggression."
The Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine's (DFLP) National Resistance Brigades fired several rockets toward Israeli occupation forces who launched an incursion toward the Rafah border crossing.
A senior member of the DFLP was killed just this week in Gaza.
Israeli forces killed at least three Palestinians in the Sabra neighbourhood and another in Shujaiya, as tanks reenter the Jabalia refugee camp in northern Gaza. Among those killed in Sabra was Talal Abu Zarifa, a senior member of the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP), the Wafa news agency reports
Defunct?
The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine carried out 15 attacks between 2010 and 2020 and is currently involved in the fighting in Gaza. It also participated in the October 7th terrorist attack and was once known to be holding some of the hostages including the Bibas family.
PFLP Statements Taking Credit for Atrocities
On October 7, 2023, the PFLP posted several pictures on its official telegram channel, Abu Ali Mustafa Brigades. They show PFLP terrorists attacking near Gaza. It also issued the following statement, “Cells of the martyr Abu Ali Mustafa Brigades stormed several [military] points in the Gaza envelope and have inflicted verified losses in the Zionist ranks. The cells have returned safely to their bases, and other cells are operating in the field now to inflict more losses in the ranks of the occupation army troops and the herds of their settlers.”
On October 7, 2023, PFLP’s “military wing”, Abu Ali Mustafa Brigades, issued a statement: “‘The Al-Aqsa flood’ campaign is a campaign of the Palestinian people in all its resistance forces. In light of the heroic sights made possible by the heroes of the resistance inside the occupied lands…we in the Abu Ali Mustafa Brigades emphasize the following:…We announce a state of maximum mobilization within the ranks of our fighters, and we work on the field on the ground (sic) in several axes side by side the comrades of blood and arms. We stand with our brothers in the [Izz ad-Din] Al-Qassam Brigades and with all the resistance forces, and fight alongside them this campaign which will be noted in history. We call upon all resistance forces inside and outside of Palestine to take their positions in the trenches of confrontation which stretch now throughout all the area. Glory to the martyrs and victory to the resistance…”
On October 8, 2023, the PFLP posted a video, “scenes from the storming of the martyr Abu Ali Mustafa Brigades’ fighters into military installations of the enemy, east of Khan Younis [on the border with Israel].”
On October 9, 2023, the PFLP posted a picture of several PFLP terrorists and the following statement, “Since the beginning of the #Al-Aqsa_flood campaign the comrades in the cyber force have engaged in launching electronic attacks, targeting the infrastructure inside the entity [i.e. Israel], including the control systems of electricity, water, road, and UAV development and manufacturing companies. Our fighters and comrades are behind the enemy everywhere.”
The Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades is a separate terrorist organization and is not the military wing of either the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine or the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. It carried out 27 attacks between 2010 and 2020 and like the PFLP participated in the October 7th terrorist attack and is currently fighting in Gaza .
More like 40%.
According to the Global Terrorism database, between 1970 and 2020, The DFLP, PFLP, and the Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades carried out 350 terrorist attacks which resulted in more than 1,800 casualties. During this same period, Hamas carried out 505 terrorist attacks which resulted in nearly 3,000 casualties. Prior to the October 7th attack, 2 of the top 5 deadliest terrorist attacks against Israel were carried out by the PFLP and the DFLP.
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The DFLP, PFLP, and the Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades are secular groups and include both Christians and Muslims.
Here's our own State Department's list of terrorist organizations.
https://www.state.gov/foreign-terrorist-organizations/
If you don't see a pattern forming in the first 50 terrorist organizations...let me know. I'll point out that we can much more easily count all the ones that aren't Islamic than the ones that are.
Islamic terrorism, like what we have seen over the past two decades, is a recent phenomenon. Between 1979 and 2000, just 3.5% of the terrorist attacks worldwide were carried out by Islamist terrorist groups. The large increase in Islamic terrorism we have seen since 2000 has nothing to do with the religion of Islam; it has been the direct result of western intervention in the Middle East, South Asia, and North Africa, as the charts below clearly show.Muslims are the largest groups of terrorism and are responsible for the largest amounts of terrorist deaths. By far.
The largest terrorist groups in comparison
Terrorist attacks by organisation with further information on groups and victimswww.worlddata.info
Islamic terrorism, like what we have seen over the past two decades, is a recent phenomenon. Between 1979 and 2000, just 3.5% of the terrorist attacks worldwide were carried out by Islamist terrorist groups.
The large increase in Islamic terrorism we have seen since 2000 has nothing to do with the religion of Islam; it has been the direct result of western intervention in the Middle East, South Asia, and North Africa, as the charts below clearly show.
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In 2023, 90% of terrorist attacks and 98% of terrorism deaths occurred in conflict zones. This shows that conflict and not religion is the primary driver of terrorism.
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Just as Hamas' senior leadership is outside of the Palestinian territories, so are the senior members of the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine, but the group does have branches in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip with a terrorist wing in the Gaza Strip. This group carried out seven terrorist attacks between 2010 and 2020 and is currently fighting against Israel in Gaza.
A number of other Palestinian factions began to report on new operations, including Islamic Jihad, the Mujahideen Movement, the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, which also released a statement saying that it "holds the American administration fully responsible for the renewal of aggression."
The Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine's (DFLP) National Resistance Brigades fired several rockets toward Israeli occupation forces who launched an incursion toward the Rafah border crossing.
A senior member of the DFLP was killed just this week in Gaza.
Israeli forces killed at least three Palestinians in the Sabra neighbourhood and another in Shujaiya, as tanks reenter the Jabalia refugee camp in northern Gaza. Among those killed in Sabra was Talal Abu Zarifa, a senior member of the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP), the Wafa news agency reports
Defunct?
The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine carried out 15 attacks between 2010 and 2020 and is currently involved in the fighting in Gaza. It also participated in the October 7th terrorist attack and was once known to be holding some of the hostages including the Bibas family.
PFLP Statements Taking Credit for Atrocities
On October 7, 2023, the PFLP posted several pictures on its official telegram channel, Abu Ali Mustafa Brigades. They show PFLP terrorists attacking near Gaza. It also issued the following statement, “Cells of the martyr Abu Ali Mustafa Brigades stormed several [military] points in the Gaza envelope and have inflicted verified losses in the Zionist ranks. The cells have returned safely to their bases, and other cells are operating in the field now to inflict more losses in the ranks of the occupation army troops and the herds of their settlers.”
On October 7, 2023, PFLP’s “military wing”, Abu Ali Mustafa Brigades, issued a statement: “‘The Al-Aqsa flood’ campaign is a campaign of the Palestinian people in all its resistance forces. In light of the heroic sights made possible by the heroes of the resistance inside the occupied lands…we in the Abu Ali Mustafa Brigades emphasize the following:…We announce a state of maximum mobilization within the ranks of our fighters, and we work on the field on the ground (sic) in several axes side by side the comrades of blood and arms. We stand with our brothers in the [Izz ad-Din] Al-Qassam Brigades and with all the resistance forces, and fight alongside them this campaign which will be noted in history. We call upon all resistance forces inside and outside of Palestine to take their positions in the trenches of confrontation which stretch now throughout all the area. Glory to the martyrs and victory to the resistance…”
On October 8, 2023, the PFLP posted a video, “scenes from the storming of the martyr Abu Ali Mustafa Brigades’ fighters into military installations of the enemy, east of Khan Younis [on the border with Israel].”
On October 9, 2023, the PFLP posted a picture of several PFLP terrorists and the following statement, “Since the beginning of the #Al-Aqsa_flood campaign the comrades in the cyber force have engaged in launching electronic attacks, targeting the infrastructure inside the entity [i.e. Israel], including the control systems of electricity, water, road, and UAV development and manufacturing companies. Our fighters and comrades are behind the enemy everywhere.”
The Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades is a separate terrorist organization and is not the military wing of either the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine or the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. It carried out 27 attacks between 2010 and 2020 and like the PFLP participated in the October 7th terrorist attack and is currently fighting in Gaza .
More like 40%.
According to the Global Terrorism database, between 1970 and 2020, The DFLP, PFLP, and the Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades carried out 350 terrorist attacks which resulted in more than 1,800 casualties. During this same period, Hamas carried out 505 terrorist attacks which resulted in nearly 3,000 casualties. Prior to the October 7th attack, 2 of the top 5 deadliest terrorist attacks against Israel were carried out by the PFLP and the DFLP.
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The DFLP, PFLP, and the Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades are secular groups and include both Christians and Muslims.
Below is the comment I was responding to:7....
Are you serious?
Your were wrong.A Syrian based organization that's not known for anything since the 1970s.
Talking about today, @JosephZ .
Just as Hamas' senior leadership is outside of the Palestinian territories, so are the senior members of the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine, but the group does have branches in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip with a terrorist wing in the Gaza Strip. This group carried out seven terrorist attacks between 2010 and 2020 and is currently fighting against Israel in Gaza.
A number of other Palestinian factions began to report on new operations, including Islamic Jihad, the Mujahideen Movement, the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, which also released a statement saying that it "holds the American administration fully responsible for the renewal of aggression."
The Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine's (DFLP) National Resistance Brigades fired several rockets toward Israeli occupation forces who launched an incursion toward the Rafah border crossing.
A senior member of the DFLP was killed just this week in Gaza.
Israeli forces killed at least three Palestinians in the Sabra neighbourhood and another in Shujaiya, as tanks reenter the Jabalia refugee camp in northern Gaza. Among those killed in Sabra was Talal Abu Zarifa, a senior member of the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP), the Wafa news agency reports
No. Read my response again.So out of the tens of thousands of attacks from Gaza on Israel over the....7 were done by "secular terrorists" and the rest by Muslims.
More like 40%.
According to the Global Terrorism database, between 1970 and 2020, The DFLP, PFLP, and the Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades carried out 350 terrorist attacks which resulted in more than 1,800 casualties. During this same period, Hamas carried out 505 terrorist attacks which resulted in nearly 3,000 casualties. Prior to the October 7th attack, 2 of the top 5 deadliest terrorist attacks against Israel were carried out by the PFLP and the DFLP.
The DFLP, PFLP, and the Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades are secular groups and include both Christians and Muslims.
Below is the comment I was responding to:
Your were wrong.
As for the tens of thousands of rocket attacks you brought up, which were not counted as terrorist attacks, those too are carried out by secular terrorist groups.
From your own source:
"All the Palestinian armed groups carry out rocket and mortar attacks, with varying frequency. The main groups are Hamas, Islamic Jihad, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, the Popular Resistance Committees, Fatah, and the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine."
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