Israel-Hamas Thread II

Valletta · Mar 28, 2024

Vanellus said:
You may have thought bulldozers were used to bulldoze Palestinian homes in the early hours, but the IDF have found another use - shovelling the dead bodies of people waving white flags they have shot dead into shallow graves:
'Horrifying' Footage Shows IDF Killing Two Gazans, Burying Their Bodies With a Bulldozer

The Japanese used similar propaganda during World War II. When Americans arrived at islands Japanese civilians threw themselves off of cliffs. The Americans and British were portrayed as devils and the Japanese as victims. The Japanese killed 20 million people in China alone before they were stopped, Hamas and other jihadists too will continue to kill, just as they have said.

Valletta · Mar 28, 2024

“Collateral Damage.” Hamas began the war by deliberately targeting civilians. It massacred them on October 7 when it invaded Israel during a time of peace and holidays. It sent more than 7,000 rockets into Israeli cities for the sole purpose of killing noncombatants. It has no vocabulary for the collateral damage of Israeli civilians, since it believes any Jewish death under any circumstances is cause for celebration.

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Vanellus · Mar 28, 2024

Valletta said:
The Japanese used similar propaganda during World War II. When Americans arrived at islands Japanese civilians threw themselves off of cliffs. The Americans and British were portrayed as devils and the Japanese as victims. The Japanese killed 20 million people in China alone before they were stopped, Hamas and other jihadists too will continue to kill, just as they have said.

There is no evidence that these were either Hamas or jihadists except in your own mind maybe. They were shot by the IDF and buried by an Israeli bulldozer.

truthpls · Mar 28, 2024

Valletta said:
Remember that over 70% of Palestinians in a poll admitted they approved of the massacre that took place--the torture, the rape, and the butchery of babies. So it is not a surprise when some attack Israeli troops. Believe you me, those kids pressed into the service of Israel want to rescue the hostages, finish Hamas, and go home. Using ammunition on someone other than Hamas in the middle of a war would be foolish even for someone with a mindset like the jihadists. In the case of Israel it is hard to imagine another country, certainly not any of the countries surrounding Israel, that would take such care to avoid killing civilians if the situation reversed.

I would have thought that most Palestinians as well as most of planet earth completely despised the shooting of hungry people lined up to get food. I would think that sympathy for Israel has more or less vanished or been greatly reduced. A bit like a guy at a bar who got sucker punched. People feel sorry for him. However if he eventually gets up and shoots almost everyone in the bar and proceeds to local schools and food banks shooting folks as well, the sympathy disappears.

truthpls · Mar 28, 2024

Vanellus said:
You may have thought bulldozers were used to bulldoze Palestinian homes in the early hours, but the IDF have found another use - shovelling the dead bodies of people waving white flags they have shot dead into shallow graves:
'Horrifying' Footage Shows IDF Killing Two Gazans, Burying Their Bodies With a Bulldozer

Disgusting

truthpls · Mar 28, 2024

Valletta said:
When attacked Israeli troops will respond.

Since tens of thousands of women and children were already killed by Israel, any claims that only people attacking Israel are killed are insane rhetoric.

Valletta · Mar 28, 2024

truthpls said:
Since tens of thousands of women and children were already killed by Israel, any claims that only people attacking Israel are killed are insane rhetoric.

Propaganda. Hamas has zero credibility.

truthpls · Mar 28, 2024

Valletta said:
Propaganda. Hamas has zero credibility.

World news is not 'Hamas'. Better to admit you are in denial

Valletta · Mar 28, 2024

"There were 1,250 people in Shifa Hospital, including 900 suspects - of which we identified 513 as terrorists. We still estimate that we will find out that there are more senior officials and there are more terrorists - we will get to all of them," he emphasized.

IDF Spokesman: 'Head of Hamas supplies killed at Shifa Hospital'

Raad Thabet, one of the top Hamas leaders in Gaza, eliminated in operation at Shifa Hospital.

www.israelnationalnews.com

Progress is being made.

truthpls · Mar 28, 2024

Valletta said:
"There were 1,250 people in Shifa Hospital, including 900 suspects - of which we identified 513 as terrorists. We still estimate that we will find out that there are more senior officials and there are more terrorists - we will get to all of them," he emphasized.

IDF Spokesman: 'Head of Hamas supplies killed at Shifa Hospital'

Raad Thabet, one of the top Hamas leaders in Gaza, eliminated in operation at Shifa Hospital.

www.israelnationalnews.com

Progress is being made.

Proof most in the hospital were crazed killers? (besides the IDF saying they were)

JosephZ · Mar 28, 2024

Larry Lewis, the director of the Center for Autonomy and Artificial Intelligence at the Center for Naval Analyses, found that even if we accept the IDF’s claim that 12,000 of the roughly 29,000 Gazans reported dead by February 20 were enemy fighters, that would still mean that for every 100 Israeli air strikes, the IDF killed an average of 54 civilians. In the U.S. campaign in Raqqa, the American military caused an estimated 1.7 civilian deaths per 100 strikes.

Israel’s lack of concern for civilian casualties is clear from well-documented individual strikes.

Even more troubling has been Israel’s failure to allow humanitarian relief to reach the civilian population it has put at risk... the Israeli bombing campaign has destroyed Gaza’s agriculture and infrastructure, and Israel has restricted aid coming from outside the Strip.

On March 14, Ophir Falk, one of Netanyahu’s advisers, declared in The Wall Street Journal that the military campaign was “guaranteeing that Gaza will never pose a threat to Israel again.” This is delusional.

Violent repression can backfire or produce Pyrrhic victories.

Toppling Saddam Hussein created a fertile chaos for insurgent groups of all types. When I deployed to Iraq as part of the American surge of troops in 2007, we successfully worked with Sunni leaders to bring down the level of violence, only for ISIS to rise from the country’s unstable politics over the decade that followed.

Repression rarely completely eradicates terrorist groups. Even Israeli intelligence admits that Hamas will survive this war.

Sheer force cannot make Palestinians accept the violence done to them, the destruction wrought on their homes, and their fate as a subject population, deprived of self-determination. Recent polls show two-thirds of Gazans blaming Israel for their suffering, and most of the rest blaming the United States, while in the West Bank support for armed struggle has risen.

Making this combustible situation still worse are international actors who benefit from stoking conflict. Iran has long helped train, supply, and fund armed Palestinian groups, offering a reported $350 million in 2023 alone. More arms, training, and funding will flow in the future, not only to Gaza but around the region.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2024/03/gaza-war-indefensible-united-states/677896/

Valletta · Mar 28, 2024

truthpls said:
Proof most in the hospital were crazed killers? (besides the IDF saying they were)

"Shifa, or schools and places like that, are our shelter,” Shteiwi said of the Islamic Jihad and Hamas, adding that he was living in the hospital for three months. . .
Telling the interrogator that there are 600-1,000 Hamas operatives inside the hospital, Qanita said that there are “certain places” in Shifa that belong to the group, including in the medical residency department where terror operatives store weapons.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-interrogations-hamas-pij-operatives-describe-using-shifa-hospital-as-terror-hub/

truthpls · Mar 29, 2024

Valletta said:
"Shifa, or schools and places like that, are our shelter,” Shteiwi said of the Islamic Jihad and Hamas, adding that he was living in the hospital for three months. . .
Telling the interrogator that there are 600-1,000 Hamas operatives inside the hospital, Qanita said that there are “certain places” in Shifa that belong to the group, including in the medical residency department where terror operatives store weapons.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-interrogations-hamas-pij-operatives-describe-using-shifa-hospital-as-terror-hub/

Sorry, Israeli news is not acceptable any more. Just as Das Reich (newspaper) was not acceptable as truth in WW2.
One would not look to an attacking power for info on the countries they attacked. Yet news from France and elsewhere (before they were taken over) was for a time somewhat reliable. You don't seem to understand the gravity of the situation and how people simply utterly reject the terrorism and genocide and starvation and mass murder being carried out today.

Philip_B · Mar 29, 2024

Valletta said:
"Shifa, or schools and places like that, are our shelter,” Shteiwi said of the Islamic Jihad and Hamas, adding that he was living in the hospital for three months. . .
Telling the interrogator that there are 600-1,000 Hamas operatives inside the hospital, Qanita said that there are “certain places” in Shifa that belong to the group, including in the medical residency department where terror operatives store weapons.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-interrogations-hamas-pij-operatives-describe-using-shifa-hospital-as-terror-hub/

Valletta said:
Propaganda. Hamas has zero credibility.

Just saying ...

essentialsaltes · Mar 29, 2024

essentialsaltes said:
South Africa’s genocide case against Israel spotlights a global divide
In this preliminary phase of the case, the court ordered Israel to do more to prevent the killing and harm of Palestinians in Gaza.

The ICJ’s rulings are legally binding, but require U.N. Security Council resolutions for there to be genuine mechanisms, like sanctions, to implement them — something that’s unlikely in this context given the United States’ long-standing practice of shielding Israel from international censure. But the fact that Israel has participated vigorously in the proceedings may mean it could find it harder to shrug off a ruling it does not like.

UN's top court orders Israel to allow unhindered aid into Gaza "without delay"

From CNN's Amy Cassidy and Lauren Izso

The International Court of Justice (ICJ) has ordered Israel to enable the unhindered flow of aid into Gaza "without delay" to avert a famine, as the number of Palestinians starving to death rises inside the besieged enclave.
In a unanimous decision, the world court issued additional provisional measures against Israel, in the ongoing genocide case brought by South Africa. The court compelled Israel to allow more aid into Gaza in light of famine “setting in."

Valletta · Mar 29, 2024

essentialsaltes said:
UN's top court orders Israel to allow unhindered aid into Gaza "without delay"
From CNN's Amy Cassidy and Lauren Izso

The International Court of Justice (ICJ) has ordered Israel to enable the unhindered flow of aid into Gaza "without delay" to avert a famine, as the number of Palestinians starving to death rises inside the besieged enclave.
In a unanimous decision, the world court issued additional provisional measures against Israel, in the ongoing genocide case brought by South Africa. The court compelled Israel to allow more aid into Gaza in light of famine “setting in."

They have to take out Hamas, that way aid can get to the people. They need to remove Hamas from all of the hospitals and then United Nations doctors and nurses can be sent in.

JosephZ · Mar 29, 2024

Valletta said:
They have to take out Hamas, that way aid can get to the people. They need to remove Hamas from all of the hospitals and then United Nations doctors and nurses can be sent in.

These things can be done simultaneously. In fact, international law requires it.

essentialsaltes · Mar 29, 2024

Valletta said:
They have to take out Hamas

Unless they are using starvation as their weapon of choice to take out Hamas, nothing should prevent food from entering Gaza.

Valletta · Mar 29, 2024

essentialsaltes said:
Unless they are using starvation as their weapon of choice to take out Hamas, nothing should prevent food from entering Gaza.

Actual videos from the ground in Gaza are getting out, don't rely on the major media:

essentialsaltes · Mar 29, 2024

Valletta said:
Actual videos from the ground in Gaza are getting out, don't rely on the major media:

Overall, we rate Citizen Free Press Right Biased for story selection and Mixed for factual reporting due to the use of some poor sources, a complete lack of transparency, and failed fact checks. (D. Van Zandt 8/25/2018) Updated (01/19/2024)

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