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israel doesn't commit war crimes.

israel doesn't commit war crimes.

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The issue isn't occupation. The issue is bombing the snot out of civilians.

Your analogy would be more correct if you posited the USA carpet bombing Canadian cities wholesale, to get the handful of people launching rockets at the US.


Israeli strikes are very precise. They hit their targets, which are military.

They do not want to hurt civilians, which is why they send in warnings to those near targets.

Perhaps those in Gaza should think twice about electing terrorists to lead them.
 
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Israeli strikes are very precise. They hit their targets, which are military.

They do not want to hurt civilians, which is why they send in warnings to those near targets.

Perhaps those in Gaza should think twice about electing terrorists to lead them.

Perhaps Christians should rise above being political rah-rags and start standing in opposition to all killing of people who don't specifically need to be killed, everywhere. If Israel's does not want to hurt civilians, they might consider not launching airstrikes and artiliary attacks at places inhabited by civilians. There's a bad guy there? Go get the bad guy. Don't destroy homes and businesses and innocent lives in the name of defense.
 
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Perhaps Christians should rise above being political rah-rags and start standing in opposition to all killing of people who don't specifically need to be killed, everywhere. If Israel's does not want to hurt civilians, they might consider not launching airstrikes and artiliary attacks at places inhabited by civilians. There's a bad guy there? Go get the bad guy. Don't destroy homes and businesses and innocent lives in the name of defense.


Israeli is fighting a just battle.

Israel wants peace.

Does Hamas want peace?
 
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Israeli is fighting a just battle.

Israel wants peace.

Does Hamas want peace?

Saying "we want peace" while you blow up homes with non-combatants in them doesn't show a real desire for peace. Neither Israeli nor Hamas leaders really want peace, because fear and hate are what keep them in power.
 
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Saying "we want peace" while you blow up homes with non-combatants in them doesn't show a real desire for peace. Neither Israeli nor Hamas leaders really want peace, because fear and hate are what keep them in power.


Israel is seeking to destory missile launchers and tunnels so they can live in peace.

What does Hamas want?
 
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Israel is seeking to destory missile launchers and tunnels so they can live in peace.

What does Hamas want?

Hamas wants lots of things, among them freedom to govern their land as they see fit, an end to illegal Israeli settlements and freedom to do business with the outside world. They are wrong to take part in violence against Israel. You are wrong to excuse Israel for slaughtering people she doesn't need to kill. Being subject to relatively ineffective attacks does not give Israel license to kill innocents by the hundreds. The black and white, heroes and villains thinking you and so many others display is precisely what feeds the culture of death.
 
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I find the fact that so many Americans are so willing to support Israel, yet condemn its mirror image in North Korea, to be frankly baffling.

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This statement is bigoted and based on ignorance or malice. I'm not sure which.

Unlike Arab nations, non Jews can vote and be members of the government in Israel.

Jews can't even live in most Arab nations.

Why do you hate Israel?
 
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Hamas wants lots of things, among them freedom to govern their land as they see fit, an end to illegal Israeli settlements and freedom to do business with the outside world. They are wrong to take part in violence against Israel. You are wrong to excuse Israel for slaughtering people she doesn't need to kill. Being subject to relatively ineffective attacks does not give Israel license to kill innocents by the hundreds. The black and white, heroes and villains thinking you and so many others display is precisely what feeds the culture of death.


No one is stopping Hamas from governing their own land.

They don't want that, though, they want to kill all the Jews.

What do you think an Israeli settlement is?
 
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Hamas wants lots of things, among them freedom to govern their land as they see fit, an end to illegal Israeli settlements and freedom to do business with the outside world.

The Hamas Charter has far more to do with killing Jews and destroying Israel through Jihad than anything to do with governing "their own land". There is no mention of lifting blockades or ending settlements as a condition of peace. Nor is there mention of a peaceful resolution through processes or meetings. In fact the very opposite is stated - they are a waste of time according to Hamas.

Currently there are no Israeli settlements in Gaza, illegal or otherwise. But even if there were, they would not be illegal under international law. The term "illegal Israeli settlements" has been bandied around so much, so many people seem to believe it, including the UN and even Israeli politicians.

The fact is that under the San Remo Resolution of 1920, all of what was then called "Palestine" (and that includes most of what is now Jordan) was given over to the Jews as a national home under the Mandate system which was for the purpose of eventually setting up a state. This was passed in a legally binding resolution which still stands to this day as verified by Article 80 of the UN Charter.

There is no legally binding resolution or law passed since then that changes that position, and it would seem there never can be.
 
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Hamas wants lots of things, among them freedom to govern their land as they see fit, an end to illegal Israeli settlements and freedom to do business with the outside world. They are wrong to take part in violence against Israel. You are wrong to excuse Israel for slaughtering people she doesn't need to kill. Being subject to relatively ineffective attacks does not give Israel license to kill innocents by the hundreds. The black and white, heroes and villains thinking you and so many others display is precisely what feeds the culture of death.

what should Israel do just live under a barrage of bomb attacks, bet thats real easy to say when you live in America, Israel are showing huge constraint for defending a land which was promised to them by God ill be honest if i lived in Israel and my family was under threat i would want Palestine carpet bombing.
 
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what should Israel do just live under a barrage of bomb attacks, bet thats real easy to say when you live in America, Israel are showing huge constraint for defending a land which was promised to them by God ill be honest if i lived in Israel and my family was under threat i would want Palestine carpet bombing.

How is killing 100 people for every two you loose "huge restraint"? Also, if you read my post you'd see that I state a course of action that Israel should take and your suggestion that your suggestion that I think Israel should just lie down and take it is wholly unwarranted.
 
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Hamas wants lots of things, among them freedom to govern their land as they see fit, an end to illegal Israeli settlements and freedom to do business with the outside world. They are wrong to take part in violence against Israel. You are wrong to excuse Israel for slaughtering people she doesn't need to kill. Being subject to relatively ineffective attacks does not give Israel license to kill innocents by the hundreds. The black and white, heroes and villains thinking you and so many others display is precisely what feeds the culture of death.

I would agree with you if you said PA or the Palestinian people as a whole, but I'm not sure Hamas really cares about those things.
 
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Israel has every right to defend herself, and I expect virtually any other nation would have caused far more civilian deaths than Israel has done, where the ratio of combattant to civilian is approx 1:1, a figure that is unheard of in such urban warfare. Israel should make no apology for losing far less people in this conflict.
 
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Zeek said:
Israel has every right to defend herself, and I expect virtually any other nation would have caused far more civilian deaths than Israel has done, where the ratio of combattant to civilian is approx 1:1, a figure that is unheard of in such urban warfare. Israel should make no apology for losing far less people in this conflict.
Surely if there really were so few civilians the proportion of deaths that are civilians should be much lower, not much higher.
 
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Israel has every right to defend herself, and I expect virtually any other nation would have caused far more civilian deaths than Israel has done, where the ratio of combattant to civilian is approx 1:1, a figure that is unheard of in such urban warfare. Israel should make no apology for losing far less people in this conflict.

Here's a direct question for you: How many civilians has the Israel killed this year? How many TOTAL Israelies has Hamas killed this year?
 
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Hamas needs to back down. They are clearly not going to win this war against Israel. Tell the Hamas to step down and Israel will eventually stop defending by using warfare.

Pray for Israel !!!!!!

Because might makes right.
 
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Hamas needs to back down. They are clearly not going to win this war against Israel. Tell the Hamas to step down and Israel will eventually stop defending by using warfare.

Pray for Israel !!!!!!

You are right, Hamas should not attack Israel. Also, Israel should allow free air and sea trade to all Palestinian territories and stop engaging in tactics that kill people they don't need to kill, creating new terrorists. Palestinians and Israelis would benefit from peace, but leaders of Hamas and Israel would not and need eachother to stay in power. It is a vicious and ugly circle. Each thinks the other side to be murderous and unworthy of trust and this far, both are right.
 
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