Israel About to Go Nuclear, Iran to Re-enter Stone Age

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So Iraq did not possess WMD, you say?

I said Iraq did not have nuclear weapons. Please do not misquote me.

So what did Obama do to defuse North Korea's danger??,
besides "talks, aid and food."

North Korea has had nuclear weapons since 2006 and no president since Truman has done much about their danger.

So Libya does not either possess WMD, you say?

Libya doesn't have nuclear weapons, is what I said. Please do not misquote me.

in your own opinion?

Appropriate: Nuclear-energy for its own citizens, maybe.

Appropriate: Nuclear weapons to "Annihilate Israel" as Iran threatened doing for decades, NO.
so
Why do you think it is "Appropriate" ? for Israel to be annihilated?

I think it is appropriate for Iran to want nuclear weapons under the circumstances of how countries are treated with and without them.

Nuclear weapons are never appropriate for use.

Also since THIS thread is about
"Israel About to Go Nuclear, Iran to Re-enter Stone Age"
maybe
other countries should be discussed in another thread? -

Just asking, as often unrelated comments are 'judged'
in the same thread as okay, while others are not. - How are we to know what's what?

This is a thread about American foreign policy.

If you want to judge me find something better.
 
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I said Iraq did not have nuclear weapons. Please do not misquote me.
okay, in my understanding I was not mis-quoting:

as not a Nuclear-scientist, in my limited understanding, whether you use a "nuclear weapon", or
another "weapon of mass-destruction", they do the same thing: kill exceeding numbers of people.

North Korea has had nuclear weapons since 2006 and
no president since Truman has done much about their danger.
tho NK had them since 2006, they couldn't get them delivered,
so is that why Bush didn't do anything about them? - But
now they have advanced their technology, so
that is why
I asked Why? hasn't Obama disabled their Destructive intents.

That is an okay question to ask, yes?

Libya doesn't have nuclear weapons, is what I said. Please do not misquote me.
Again, in my understanding I was not mis-quoting:

as not a Nuclear-scientist, in my limited understanding, whether you use a "nuclear weapon", or
another "weapon of mass-destruction", they do the same thing: kill exceeding numbers of people.

I think
it is appropriate for Iran to want nuclear weapons under the circumstances of how countries are treated with and without them.

Nuclear weapons are never appropriate for use.
Thank goodness !, you agree they should Not be used.

Except as a deterrent against an enemy bent on annihilating other people, as their entire country.

This is a thread about American foreign policy.

If you want to judge me find something better.
Thank you for starting that premise/assumption, with IF.
Because what I had in mind actually was gaining greater understanding.

so your judgment is confusing :confused: Are you saying -

it's not okay? :confused: to ask someone questions, to have them further explain themselves, and to have Dialogue in the hope that maybe greater understanding can be gained?
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So Iraq did not possess WMD, you say?

If Iraq had WMDs, then what happened to them? Why didn't they use them on us when we were invading their country? Answer: They didn't use them because they didn't have them.

Appropriate: Nuclear weapons to "Annihilate Israel" as Iran threatened doing for decades, NO.
so
Why do you think it is "Appropriate" ? for Israel to be annihilated?
Does Iran really want to annihilate Israel? With nukes? Well then, what do you make of this?:

Google search for the Washington Post article, "Did Ahmadinejad really say Israel should be 'wiped off the map'?" (I can't post any links until I reach 50 posts.:mad:)

Excerpt: "Sadjadpour said Khamenei has been consistent, stating repeatedly that the goal is not the military destruction of the Jewish state but “the defeat of Zionist ideology and the dissolution of Israel through a ‘popular referendum.’” (my emphasis)
 
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okay, in my understanding I was not mis-quoting:

as not a Nuclear-scientist, in my limited understanding, whether you use a "nuclear weapon", or
another "weapon of mass-destruction", they do the same thing: kill exceeding numbers of people.

Nuclear weapons are WMD's but not all WMD's are nuclear weapons. There are chemical and biological weapons that are generally considered weapons of mass destruction.

tho NK had them since 2006, they couldn't get them delivered,
so is that why Bush didn't do anything about them? - But
now they have advanced their technology, so
that is why
I asked Why? hasn't Obama disabled their Destructive intents.

That is an okay question to ask, yes?

Same thing as every president, gave them aid.

Thank goodness !, you agree they should Not be used.

Except as a deterrent against an enemy bent on annihilating other people, as their entire country.

The question becomes who deserves to have them around as a "deterrent".

The problem of nuclear weapons is that they are becoming easier to make and it is hard to stop states that want to become nuclear powers from doing so.

Making people not want weapons "as a deterrent" might be easier if we weren't so quick to invade countries that do not attempt to make nuclear weapons.

Thank you for starting that premise/assumption, with IF.
Because what I had in mind actually was gaining greater understanding.

so your judgment is confusing :confused: Are you saying -

it's not okay? :confused: to ask someone questions, to have them further explain themselves, and to have Dialogue in the hope that maybe greater understanding can be gained?
.

I am somewhat confused as to what you are asking, or why you are asking it. I have lots of great discussions here with people who seriously want discussion. Sadly this is not the intention of everyone here.

If it has to do with my reaction to the OP it is because I saw it as little more than a poorly aimed pot shot at his political rivals and I decided to answer it in kind.
 
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If Iraq had WMDs, then what happened to them?
Why didn't they use them on us when we were invading their country?
Answer: They didn't use them because they didn't have them.
okay, are you saying you personally worked in the Military,
and you know your assertion is FACT?

or Where do you get your info? - and how do you know who is telling you the Truth?

People in the Military tell a different story.

I have pitiful little trust & respect for garden-variety politicians;
but
the people with the nasty job of Preserving-Freedom...
not just for us, but everyone around the world, these I will trust easier.
 
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Crandaddy said:
Google search for the Washington Post article, "Did Ahmadinejad really say Israel should be 'wiped off the map'?" (I can't post any links until I reach 50 posts.:mad:)

Excerpt: "Sadjadpour said Khamenei has been consistent, stating repeatedly that the goal is not the military destruction of the Jewish state but “the defeat of Zionist ideology and the dissolution of Israel through a ‘popular referendum.’” (my emphasis)

courtesy link:
Did Ahmadinejad really say Israel should be ‘wiped off the map’? - The Washington Post
 
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okay, are you saying you personally worked in the Military,
and you know your assertion is FACT?

or Where do you get your info? - and how do you know who is telling you the Truth?

People in the Military tell a different story.

I have pitiful little trust & respect for garden-variety politicians;
but
the people with the nasty job of Preserving-Freedom...
not just for us, but everyone around the world, these I will trust easier.

The whole pretext for the Iraq war was that they had WMDs and that they might use them on us at any moment. You can bet that they would have jumped all over any hint of their actual use in order to justify the invasion. They would've been practically screaming it at the top of their lungs. But all we ever got were speculations as to where they might have been hidden/smuggled.

Don't get me wrong, I have tremendous respect and admiration for not just our soldiers, but for any soldier who risks his/her life for a noble cause. And I have no doubt that our soldiers have fought and died over there with the noble and honorable intent to preserve our freedoms. But I can see no evidence that they have encountered what would classify as weapons of mass destruction.
 
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okay, are you saying you personally worked in the Military,
and you know your assertion is FACT?

or Where do you get your info? - and how do you know who is telling you the Truth?

People in the Military tell a different story.

No they don't. How long are you going to continue with this drivel? You were already pulled up on it months ago.

Iraq had no WMDs - according to all Western intelligence agencies and specialists on the topic - which is where you should be getting your information from instead of, seemingly, some source that seeks to justify all US aggression.
 
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I get so sick of hearing about Israels and Irans problem with each other. If they want to destroy each other, I say have at it. I hope they just leave the rest of the world out of it. I also hope they don't use nuclear weapons because they put holes in the ozone layer.
 
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Iraq did not posses nuclear weapons and was invaded.

North Korea did posses nuclear weapons and they get talks, aid and food.

Libya did not poses nuclear weapons and was invaded.

It is appropriate that Iran should seek to develop nuclear weapons.

This logic seems sound. All the more reason to take Iran seriously. (I still think we should never have objected to their desire for nuclear powered electricity)
 
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Leibowitz's Canticle
Israel About to Go Nuclear, Iran to Re-enter Stone Age

Netanyahu has said he will strike Iran before the US elections. And he is not a big fan of BHO. Could the strike come during the Democratic convention. What better way to thumb his nose at BHO and his tepid support for Israel.

:eek:

What better way to demonstrate to the world that he is a bat-excrement insane megalomaniac sociopath?

We live in a dangerous world. Too dangerous to have a rookie as Commander in Chief.

Precisely why I will be voting for President Obama this November, not the ambulating foreign relations disaster that is Romney.
 
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Excerpt: "Sadjadpour said Khamenei has been consistent, stating repeatedly that the goal is not the military destruction of the Jewish state but “the defeat of Zionist ideology and the dissolution of Israel through a ‘popular referendum.’” (my emphasis)

Yes, it is "popular referendum" that Iran's leadership refers to when making crazed statements about "wiping it off the map." How much for that beachfront property in AZ, again?
 
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The whole pretext for the Iraq war was that they had WMDs and that they might use them on us at any moment.

No, this is false. Did you ever really believe this? No one I know did. I certainly didn't.

Saddam had a history of using them to commit inhumane atrocities, and was in fact engaged in the commission of many other atrocities as we interrupted him, and his sons, whom he had set in power. That is (partially) why we invaded, which further served to isolate Saddam. (Even though we gave up his pursuit)
 
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No, this is false. Did you ever really believe this? No one I know did. I certainly didn't.

Saddam had a history of using them to commit inhumane atrocities, and was in fact engaged in the commission of many other atrocities as we interrupted him, and his sons, whom he had set in power. That is (partially) why we invaded, which further served to isolate Saddam. (Even though we gave up his pursuit)

Yeah, but he got those other "WMDs" from us, or with our knowledge - we were cool with him using them on Iranians, but not on the Kurds (though I don't think we would have blinked if he'd used them on Turkish Kurds).

Of course, the Iraqi Kurds were/are sitting on an oil field that Europe and the US have been drooling over for about 100 years. The Turkish Kurds - no oil.
 
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Israel About to Go Nuclear, Iran to Re-enter Stone Age
You actually think the leaders of Israel are insane enough to initiate nuclear war? I thought Iran was supposed to be the scary country we have to look out for? Maybe Israel was the country that really shouldn't have these weapons.
 
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You actually think the leaders of Israel are insane enough to initiate nuclear war? I thought Iran was supposed to be the scary country we have to look out for? Maybe Israel was the country that really shouldn't have these weapons.

I have come to think that claiming to have WMDs, and threatening to use them, is a (not so endearing) ME pastime ...
 
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Leibowitz's Canticle
Israel About to Go Nuclear, Iran to Re-enter Stone Age

I'm sure Jesus would be all about nuking Iranian civilians just to maintain Israels nuclear monopoly in the region. :doh:

Maybe the US should nuke Israel too because they have WMDs and then Israel can nuke the US because we have WMDs and then Pakistan can nuke India because they have WMDs.....


::edit:: I just read the linked article and found it revolting so I had to vent lol
 
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