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Rajni · Jul 22, 2008

DeanM said:
I'm sorry for sounding alarmist.

I am not campaigning. I am not suggesting action.

Resistance is futile.

I just thought you guys deserve to know what's already in motion.

CF will become a fundamentalist, "orthodox" website.

The wheels are already in motion.

Our options are to endure the changes, or go somewhere else.

May God have mercy on us and bless us.

You don't have to apologize -- and I don't think it's really alarmist. If a person owns and runs a forum, they do whatever it is they do with it. I'm likely an eventual target in CF's "cleansing" as I am a pantelist Christian (i.e. "very unorthdox"). And that's fine; I won't fall apart if it happens; I gots me my own forum (that's sleeping quietly at the moment, but I love playing with the color scheme, etc, LOL!).

DailyBlessings · Jul 22, 2008

It's true that one man owns the forum and can do what he likes with it. This has always been true, though it remains to be seen what this particular man intends to do. Nothing is over until it is over, and there is always room for hope and the work of the Spirit.

Kris10leigh · Jul 22, 2008

catlover said:
Bannishing non-Christians in the name of beliefs is wrong and should be questioned... What will non-Christians think if we go along with this with a giant okay and thumbs up????.

Reading back what I wrote, I think you misunderstood. I said if people aren't happy they should go elsewhere. I didn't mean away from CF. I meant WITHIN CF. I think CF is already doing a pretty good job of giving all of us a place to speak and it drives me crazy when people complain about how horrible a particular area is. Find another...WITHIN CF.

I'm in no way for bannishing anyone!

catlover · Jul 22, 2008

Kris10leigh said:
Reading back what I wrote, I think you misunderstood. I said if people aren't happy they should go elsewhere. I didn't mean away from CF. I meant WITHIN CF. I think CF is already doing a pretty good job of giving all of us a place to speak and it drives me crazy when people complain about how horrible a particular area is. Find another...WITHIN CF.

I'm in no way for bannishing anyone!

Ooops!!! Now I get it-

IndomitableAmy · Jul 22, 2008

If there is one man limiting the pool of those "good enough" by setting standards of right belief then, unless that man believes in tolerance, those "good enough" would likely only amount to that one man.

katautumn · Jul 23, 2008

DeanM said:
Resistance is futile.

I just thought you guys deserve to know what's already in motion.

CF will become a fundamentalist, "orthodox" website.

The wheels are already in motion.

Our options are to endure the changes, or go somewhere else.

May God have mercy on us and bless us.

This actually makes me want to cry. I'm terribly sad to see that, despite the majority here being against such a change, this is the direction the site will be going in. Lee is going to be in for a rude awakening if he feels these changes will be more profitable for him and his company.

katautumn · Jul 23, 2008

DeanM said:
We're not allowed to speak out against this one man's vision. To do so is to not be Biblical (in his own words).

I'm sorry, but that's a total crock and at this point I almost don't care if I get banned for speaking my mind. It's deplorable for one person to guilt or scare people into blind submission. It's shameful that if a Christian member here is against this "vision" they may begin to doubt their faith because they've been told that being against such an idea is basically working against God.

redheadmt · Jul 23, 2008

NorrinRadd said:
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Could you folks please take a deep breath and lighten up on the Fundy-bashing? I've spent most of my 29 years of Christianity among Fundies, and most of them do not fit the characterizations (caricatures?) you are presenting.

I can only go by personal experience. I've met many Fundies since I met my husband. There are nine of them that I can think of off of the top of my head. I am very tolerant of them (except for the one who just went to prison for child abduction and rape) and all of the intolerance has been directed at myself and my children because over the past eleven years they have found out that I am a Democrat, my twelve year old loves Harry Potter books, I believe in global warming, I am pro-choice, I think George Bush is intellectually challenged, I don't abhor homosexuals, I approve of gay marriage, I think the war in Iraq is WRONG, I believe in the theory of evolution, I attend a UCC church, and I respect faiths other than Christianity, etc.

Each time that they have gleaned a new tidbit of information about my beliefs, they warn me or my husband that my walk with Jesus is not right, that I have a "black" heart and that I am probably going to hell. I don't have respect for people who tell other people that they are going to hell. That is something that they can not know, and to tell you the truth, I wouldn't be so bold as to go around saying who I think is going to hell. There is only One who can know this.

I know some "super cool" conservative Christians who respect me for who I am and I respect them. They love me for who I am and have NEVER told me that I have a black heart and that I am going to hell. I've never met a "super cool" Fundy who respects the thoughts and beliefs of others. "Fundy" is not a positive term in my mind.

NorrinRadd · Jul 23, 2008

Izdaari said:
How's your Pennsylvania Dutch? "Throw daddy downstairs his hat."

Y'know, we don't actually hear a lot of that around here. Maybe hear more of it up in Amish country, 20 miles or so to the north. Also maybe over in the Johnstown area, where I had some Mennonite relatives in my youth. (I think that branch of the family is Methodist now.)

Back when I was a kid, I think some of the older relatives used to say, "Close the light" or "Shut the light." I don't know of those were PA-Dutchisms or not. My maternal g'parents said, "Outen the light" or "Make out the light"; they were immigrants from Transylvania.

NorrinRadd · Jul 23, 2008

Izdaari said:
I really don't like to see my friends fight. The two of you have had different experiences obviously, but they're both real and both valid. Some fundies are borderline wacko fanatics, others are the coolest people you could run across. And the same goes for liberals.

I don't think I was or am "fighting." But I found it surprising, disappointing, and ironic to see several of the "everyone is welcome here" people essentially saying "Fundy is the root of all evil." I didn't and don't think a polite request for restraint constituted "fighting."

Yes, I do realize some Fundies are wackos. I've met a *few* like that IRL. I've met more online, but still don't find them the majority. I'm sorry the experience of GGK and others has been otherwise, but I'm not inclined to silently accept that negative view being regarded as the norm.

NorrinRadd · Jul 23, 2008

DeanM said:
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Since this primarily a liberal area, we tend to see posts that bash fundies in a very general sense. If we could just alter our language to "some fundies" when we're referring to them, we would save a lot of problems. Likewise, we should expect that liberals and pagans and whoever else be treated in the same manner. ...

Yep. That would probably have prevented my post and all the vicious confrontational fundyhood it embodied.

NorrinRadd · Jul 23, 2008

Regarding the reported "direction" of the site -- Anyone else here have much familiarity with CARM? This sounds like Ecc. 1:9.

"It's deja vu all over again." (Yogi Berra translation)

kiwimac · Jul 23, 2008

There is no biblical authority to state that speaking against LeeD is unbiblical. This is a discussion board not a church, it can never be a church. Moreover Lee is not a pastor / priest / bishop. I can and will speak against injustice when I see it.

DeanM · Jul 23, 2008

kiwimac said:
There is no biblical authority to state that speaking against LeeD is unbiblical. This is a discussion board not a church, it can never be a church. Moreover Lee is not a pastor / priest / bishop. I can and will speak against injustice when I see it.

Hi Kiwi,

I'm really glad to see you're still active.

You are speaking the truth, my friend. I think you and I are on the same page.

Izdaari Eristikon · Jul 23, 2008

NorrinRadd said:
I don't think I was or am "fighting." But I found it surprising, disappointing, and ironic to see several of the "everyone is welcome here" people essentially saying "Fundy is the root of all evil." I didn't and don't think a polite request for restraint constituted "fighting."

That request (post #26) struck me as entirely reasonable. I'm with you on that. I think Kelli overreacted, but your reply to her (post #30) seemed to me unnecessarily blunt and confrontational.

I love you both.

Yes, I do realize some Fundies are wackos. I've met a *few* like that IRL. I've met more online, but still don't find them the majority. I'm sorry the experience of GGK and others has been otherwise, but I'm not inclined to silently accept that negative view being regarded as the norm.

I agree.

Izdaari Eristikon · Jul 23, 2008

NorrinRadd said:
Regarding the reported "direction" of the site -- Anyone else here have much familiarity with CARM? This sounds like Ecc. 1:9.

"It's deja vu all over again." (Yogi Berra translation)

I visited just long enough to learn I don't at all care for the place.

Rajni · Jul 23, 2008

KatAutumn said:
I'm sorry, but that's a total crock and at this point I almost don't care if I get banned for speaking my mind. It's deplorable for one person to guilt or scare people into blind submission. It's shameful that if a Christian member here is against this "vision" they may begin to doubt their faith because they've been told that being against such an idea is basically working against God.

True. It's basically a re-packaging of the modern-day Super Apostles' favorite phrase: "Touch not God's anointed", which is designed to leave the impression that opposing them is tantamount to opposing God.

In such an instance, I am so not going to touch the Kool Aid!

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Miracle Storm · Jul 23, 2008

Not suprised at all..I wonder if the christians who are excited about LeeD's vision believe it is inline with the Jesus of the bible and his vision..

Crazy Liz · Jul 23, 2008

DeanM said:
We're not allowed to speak out against this one man's vision. To do so is to not be Biblical (in his own words).

kiwimac said:
There is no biblical authority to state that speaking against LeeD is unbiblical. This is a discussion board not a church, it can never be a church. Moreover Lee is not a pastor / priest / bishop. I can and will speak against injustice when I see it.

LeeD BOUGHT this position of biblical authority.

Dare we call it simony?

Izdaari Eristikon · Jul 23, 2008

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