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Isn't Evolution Biblical?
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<blockquote data-quote="Smilin" data-source="post: 359713" data-attributes="member: 3178"><p>assalamu alaikum</p><p>shalom aleykom,</p><p>Greetings and thanks for starting this thread.</p><p></p><p>Let me start with a simple statement:</p><p></p><p>How can biblical scripture stand without accpepting evolution within the creation? </p><p></p><p>To begin with, let's look at the first passage in the bible:</p><p>Genesis 1</p><p>1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.</p><p>2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. ..........</p><p></p><p>Notice there is no timeline given for how long the earth stood without form and void. So, how long did God allow the earth to stand before continuing?</p><p>Noone can answer this question (biblically) with the scarce information that is given us. Therefore, I submit that the current age of the earth, 4.5 billion years, does not conflict with biblical scripture.</p><p></p><p> Secondly, the bible is full of symbology, and I'll state that it shouldn't be taken literally. (another thread I intend on starting soon)</p><p></p><p>Now, if we are to accept that Adam and Eve were the first humans, then explain the diversity of the human race....i.e., Africans, Native Americans, Chinese, the list goes on and on. The only plausible way to explain this is through Natural Selection. If your viewpoint is strictly that God created everything, then explain to me the diversity that exists among the human race. You can't, without accepting what science, ranchers, dog breeders, etc. have shown. Natural Selection.</p><p></p><p>Paulewog: "Evolution is not Biblical... you don't find evolution in the Bible, you have to twist the Bible to make room for it."</p><p>- Again, I challenge you to explain the many physical differences that exists among the various ethnic cultures without accepting the scientific proof that all living things evolve.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Thirdly, the bible is full of symbology, and I'll state that it shouldn't be taken literally. (another thread I intend on starting soon), so If you wish to contradict my statement (I encourage it actually) we'll take it to another thread.</p><p></p><p>Scott, you state:</p><p>"....And no evolution has ever been observed or demonstrated...."</p><p>-Okay, then please explain the following to me:</p><p>1. Hybrids</p><p>2. Selective reproduction (commonly used by animal breeders)</p><p>3. Extinction due to random and induced events.</p><p>4. Neanderthals....where did they come from, why did they become extinct?</p><p>(Just a few examples of evolution, which can be shown)....</p><p> </p><p>"The modern science of genetics which Darwin did not have shows the foolishness of the notion of evolution. " </p><p>-Science didn't freeze with Darwin, as just as it didn't with Newton or Einstein. This statement just indicates you have been misinformed on what Darwin hypothesized and what science has shown since then. Scienctific knowledge INCREASES...theories & laws have been re-written whenever necessary.</p><p></p><p>"The Bible is clearly young earth non evolution in its presentation."</p><p>-I'd LOVE to discuss this one with you. Please take advantage of my post on "Young Earth Creation" and state your case. (the young earth notion)</p><p></p><p>"You can certainly chose to reject the Bible if you want, but don't try to make it say that everything evolved." </p><p>- That is not what I'm saying, and I certainly don't reject the Bible. Are you trying to tell me the bible should be taken literally? If so, let's take that one to another thread as well.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Smilin, post: 359713, member: 3178"] assalamu alaikum shalom aleykom, Greetings and thanks for starting this thread. Let me start with a simple statement: How can biblical scripture stand without accpepting evolution within the creation? To begin with, let's look at the first passage in the bible: Genesis 1 1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. .......... Notice there is no timeline given for how long the earth stood without form and void. So, how long did God allow the earth to stand before continuing? Noone can answer this question (biblically) with the scarce information that is given us. Therefore, I submit that the current age of the earth, 4.5 billion years, does not conflict with biblical scripture. Secondly, the bible is full of symbology, and I'll state that it shouldn't be taken literally. (another thread I intend on starting soon) Now, if we are to accept that Adam and Eve were the first humans, then explain the diversity of the human race....i.e., Africans, Native Americans, Chinese, the list goes on and on. The only plausible way to explain this is through Natural Selection. If your viewpoint is strictly that God created everything, then explain to me the diversity that exists among the human race. You can't, without accepting what science, ranchers, dog breeders, etc. have shown. Natural Selection. Paulewog: "Evolution is not Biblical... you don't find evolution in the Bible, you have to twist the Bible to make room for it." - Again, I challenge you to explain the many physical differences that exists among the various ethnic cultures without accepting the scientific proof that all living things evolve. Thirdly, the bible is full of symbology, and I'll state that it shouldn't be taken literally. (another thread I intend on starting soon), so If you wish to contradict my statement (I encourage it actually) we'll take it to another thread. Scott, you state: "....And no evolution has ever been observed or demonstrated...." -Okay, then please explain the following to me: 1. Hybrids 2. Selective reproduction (commonly used by animal breeders) 3. Extinction due to random and induced events. 4. Neanderthals....where did they come from, why did they become extinct? (Just a few examples of evolution, which can be shown).... "The modern science of genetics which Darwin did not have shows the foolishness of the notion of evolution. " -Science didn't freeze with Darwin, as just as it didn't with Newton or Einstein. This statement just indicates you have been misinformed on what Darwin hypothesized and what science has shown since then. Scienctific knowledge INCREASES...theories & laws have been re-written whenever necessary. "The Bible is clearly young earth non evolution in its presentation." -I'd LOVE to discuss this one with you. Please take advantage of my post on "Young Earth Creation" and state your case. (the young earth notion) "You can certainly chose to reject the Bible if you want, but don't try to make it say that everything evolved." - That is not what I'm saying, and I certainly don't reject the Bible. Are you trying to tell me the bible should be taken literally? If so, let's take that one to another thread as well. [/QUOTE]
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