Islamic State

[ianb321red]

Initially I thought that Islamic State would enter Europe via Turkey, however it is now totally clear that they are entering via Libya.

Regardless, the threat is moving towards this country rather than away from it.

How do you as a Christian feel about this? Are you prepared to stand by and potentially die for your faith?

 

[ebia]

Phew

 

[Genersis]

I wont(for obvious reasons), and most of us realistically will not have to face such a prospect(at least not in the foreseeable future), but for others it is a real threat.

I feel like we're not doing enough to help refugees displaced in the ongoing conflicts in Africa and the Middle East.

Other than that, I don't give much thought to ISIS.
The whole ISIS situation is for people much more knowledgeable than I on how to contain and stop such threats to figure out a solution to.

 

[MorkandMindy]

You are way to modest Genersis!

We've all been through it before, after we've killed 10,000 Libyans and nobody is willing to give us a believable reason why we did it, then we'll blame the CIA for getting the file for Liberia confused with Libya.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Initially I thought that Islamic State would enter Europe via Turkey, however it is now totally clear that they are entering via Libya.

Based on what evidence?

Regardless, the threat is moving towards this country rather than away from it.

Actually, the evidence tends to indicate it's not really moving anywhere at the moment. It certainly is not making headway into Europe.

How do you as a Christian feel about this? Are you prepared to stand by and potentially die for your faith?

Hypothetically, if I were in UK and ISIS gained control I would be concerned about the possibility of being executed as a non-believer - in their eyes I'd be just as deserving of death as you. Does that count, or are you only concerned about the fate of Christians?

 

[Oafman]

Initially I thought that Islamic State would enter Europe via Turkey, however it is now totally clear that they are entering via Libya.

Is this related to the topical issue of drowning migrants? Are you claiming that some of these migrants are IS members? Is that a claim you can support?

Regardless, the threat is moving towards this country rather than away from it.

How is the threat moving towards this country? The only threat IS poses to Britain is the stuff it puts online, which might just convince some kid to plant a bomb somewhere. I have never heard a shred of credible evidence for the idea that IS are sending out operatives around the world to spread their nastiness.

How do you as a Christian feel about this? Are you prepared to stand by and potentially die for your faith?

Well obviously not a Christian, but if it came to it (ie invasion from the East!), I guess I would be prepared to die to defend our values. Thankfully this is not going to happen, certainly in my lifetime, almost certainly never.

 

[MorkandMindy]

They're probably trying to gain power and control in their own country. If we don't get down there and get involved then they won't even think about us, and they should be thinking about us every day.

 

[ihavefoundgod951]

If they have any sense if they where to enter Europe they would do it via Turkey, I imagine the Turkish army are not as good as Italy, Italy been an EU state, plus I am not aware IS having a navy fleet which they would need to make it across the channel to Italy.

Strategically this would not be a good root into Europe imo

 

[MorkandMindy]

It doesn't matter which country they are from, they are coming to steal our freedom and take it back to wherever they are from because that is what they are jealous of and that is what they want most of all.

 

[ebia]

It doesn't matter which country they are from, they are coming to steal our freedom and take it back to wherever they are from because that is what they are jealous of and that is what they want most of all.

You think the thinking is that sophisticated?

It looks to me more like "the muslims are coming, the muslims are coming, ahggh".

Muslim and monster both start with 'm' don't they? Cooincidence or what?

 

[theFijian]

Initially I thought that Islamic State would enter Europe via Turkey, however it is now totally clear that they are entering via Libya.

Regardless, the threat is moving towards this country rather than away from it.

How do you as a Christian feel about this? Are you prepared to stand by and potentially die for your faith?

Where have ISIS managed to enter Europe?

 

[ianb321red]

It was in the news a couple of months ago - for example:
Why ISIS in Libya is a direct threat to Europe - CBS News

 

[ianb321red]

Where have ISIS managed to enter Europe?

I said 'would' not 'have'......

 

[ianb321red]

Based on what evidence?


Actually, the evidence tends to indicate it's not really moving anywhere at the moment. It certainly is not making headway into Europe.


Hypothetically, if I were in UK and ISIS gained control I would be concerned about the possibility of being executed as a non-believer - in their eyes I'd be just as deserving of death as you. Does that count, or are you only concerned about the fate of Christians?

The evidence suggests that the initial priority is to effectively surround Israel - so moving from Syria and Irag initially, down in to Saudi and Yemen and across to Sudan, but there is no doubt they would also want to move upwards through Europe...and why wouldn't they?

As I say I expected it to be via Turkey - at least people are entering Syria via Turkey so I expected this to be 2 way traffic...

 

[RDKirk]

It doesn't matter which country they are from, they are coming to steal our freedom and take it back to wherever they are from because that is what they are jealous of and that is what they want most of all.

Okay, that sentence gives me the impression of a dark figure sneaking into the US, stealing a US flag, smuggling it back into northern Iraq, and revealing it to his comrades saying, "Look what I've got here, guys! It's what we've always wanted, and now it's ours! Freedom!"

 

[RDKirk]

The evidence suggests that the initial priority is to effectively surround Israel - so moving from Syria and Irag initially, down in to Saudi and Yemen and across to Sudan, but there is no doubt they would also want to move upwards through Europe...and why wouldn't they?

As I say I expected it to be via Turkey - at least people are entering Syria via Turkey so I expected this to be 2 way traffic...

ISIS has stated their purpose: To draw the West into a war in the northern Syria-Iraq region to invoke the return of the Mahdi and the end of the world.

 

[theFijian]

I said 'would' not 'have'......

You said 'entering', so which part of Europe are they entering into?

 

[MorkandMindy]

It doesn't matter which country they are from, they are coming to steal our freedom and take it back to wherever they are from because that is what they are jealous of and that is what they want most of all.

Okay, that sentence gives me the impression of a dark figure sneaking into the US, stealing a US flag, smuggling it back into northern Iraq, and revealing it to his comrades saying, "Look what I've got here, guys! It's what we've always wanted, and now it's ours! Freedom!"

Pretty close - the US flag represents the United States and that is why all US citizens pledge allegiance to the flag.

It is the Constitution which guarantees our freedoms.

You should recall that after 911 the President gave the explanation that 'they are jealous of our freedoms'. As you must be aware he was the most profoundly Christian of any President the US has ever had, believed the Bible in it's entirety and walked with God daily. He had access to the One who knew men's hearts and he knew what drove those enemies of civilization itself.

Our freedoms are secure in the Constitution and therefore I believe it is that document they are after. If they get it we will soon fall into tyranny and they will replace us as the envy of the World.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

The evidence suggests that the initial priority is to effectively surround Israel - so moving from Syria and Irag initially, down in to Saudi and Yemen and across to Sudan, but there is no doubt they would also want to move upwards through Europe...and why wouldn't they?

Your initial claim was:

Regardless, the threat is moving towards this country rather than away from it.

So, are they moving north towards UK or south to Saudi, Yemen and Sudan?

As I say I expected it to be via Turkey - at least people are entering Syria via Turkey so I expected this to be 2 way traffic...

Your initial claim was:

they are entering via Libya.

Several posters have questioned that claim. Are you going to back it up?