The original Arabic makes no reference to Jews or Christians in the way that has been done in this thread.
This is the sura that has been misrepresented in a recent post. It is called ‘The Opening’; and is very important in Islamic worship, being an obligatory part of the daily prayer, repeated several times during the day:
‘In the name of God, the Lord of Mercy, the Giver of Mercy! Praise belongs to God, Lord of the Worlds, the Lord of Mercy, the Giver of Mercy, Master of the Day of Judgement. It is You we worship; it is You we ask for help. Guide us to the straight path: the path of those You have blessed, those who incur no anger and who have not gone astray.’
(Al-Fatiha).
The original Arabic makes no reference to Jews or Christians in the way that has been done in this thread.
The background for this nonsense is that a long time ago, Misihi found a sermon online from some Muslim preacher in Indonesia I think, stating that the Jews were those who incurred God's anger and that Christians were those who had gone astray. So he has been repeating this as fact ever since.
I saw David Duke and Fred Phelps once, are they not the spokesmen of Christianity?
It's usually the same folks who claim that ISIS doesn't represent Islam...but have no problem saying that Westboro represents Christians...and if you tell them otherwise, they'll tell you that you have no right to define who is and isn't a Christian.
You can't plagiarize a text you can't read. The Prophet was illiterate. But yes, many of the stories in the Qur'an can be found in both Jewish and Christian oral traditions. Why would this cause any Muslim to abandon Islam? Does the story of the Ark and Flood found in the Epic of Gilgamesh cause Christians to abandon Christianity?
I would say that it's a possibility that anybody in that region might have heard these stories from Jews or Christians. It might even be a story that spread around beyond Christian and Jewish circles.
muslims cannot judge the Bible because muslims are never mentioned in the bible. However Christians can be an authority on the quran because the quran makes mention of Christians.1) muslims worship their 'allah' by criticizing/ fighting Christian dogma and jewish beliefs. It is actually something in their daily prayers, called rak'a. This is their daily prayer: "Guide us to the straight path, the path of those whom You have favored, Not of those who have incurred your wrath (Jews*), nor of those who have gone astray (Christians*)." *-emphasis mine
It has been said in this thread that Muslims are never mentioned in the Bible. A Muslim is someone who submits to the will of the Exalted. Here are a few Biblical ones:
‘Say (Muhammad): “We believe in God and in what has been sent down to us and to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes. We believe in what has been given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets from their Lord. We do not make a distinction between any of the prophets. It is to Him that we devote ourselves.” If anyone seeks a religion other than complete devotion to God, it will not be accepted from him: he will be one of the losers in the Hereafter.’
(Al‘Imran: 84-85).
My problem with this is that it's kind of a word game I see played. Maybe not you, but let's look at it this way. In today's usage, a Muslim is a person who follows the religion of Islam. You wouldn't call me a Muslim, right? But when we look at the people you mention above, they did not follow the religion of Islam as known today.
So when you say they were Muslims, you mean they followed the will of HaShem, not that they were followers of the modern day religion of Islam. I find Muslims like to use the two terms interchangeably and I think that's a bit disingenuous.
Hello LoAmmi,
I apologise for the confusion. Clearly these people were not Muslim in the sense it is used today, since the religion of Islam did not exist in their time. Perhaps I ought to have used the word HaShem rather than Exalted (or perhaps said nothing at all). I am happy to delete my post if it causes you offence.
No, I'm not offended. It's just something that's happened and it gets kind of frustrating. I haven't seen you do it but I have had it in discussion with other Muslims in the past. You can use Exalted if you want, I certainly have no problem with that. Our faiths have our own ways to refer to the same being.
Thank you. This is why I used the word 'Exalted'. It embraces all Abrahamic faiths, rather than being 'faith specific', if that makes any sense.
Have a good day.
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