Islam

[Chris†opher Paul]

What do the Messianic Jews here think of Islam? Specifically, is Allah the same God as Yahweh? Do the Muslim people worship the God of Abraham, or not? If not, why not?

I am not interested in Judeo-Christian vs Muslim descriptions of God, as we all know they are different. I am interested in if the Muslims really think they are worshipping the God of Abraham.

Thanks

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

Thanks.

I wonder, if they think they are really worshipping our God, will that help them at all in judgement?

 

[dignitized]

Many will cry - LORD LORD! to which Christ will Answer - I knew you NOT.

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

So a sincere Muslim is doomed, period?

 

[dignitized]

pray4? Brainwashed?? Its their religious duty to subjugate us. No confusion or brainwashing there. Its plain Muslim teaching just as the Cross of Christ is part and parcel to the Christian faith.

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

Originally posted by Br. Max
pray4? Brainwashed?? Its their religious duty to subjugate us. No confusion or brainwashing there. Its plain Muslim teaching just as the Cross of Christ is part and parcel to the Christian faith.

If someone reads only the OT, they could think the wrong thing about Christians. Are you sure that what you say is in context and consistent teachings of Islam?

 

[dignitized]

Soul: a rather cursory perusal of the Koran will put forward many passages in which is it clearly stated that it is the moral, religious and civic duty of every Muslim to convert, subjugate, and or kill every Christian and Jew in the world. They present themselves as a religion of peace to the West, but they are not. Few people realize that the Crusades were caused by the Muslim policies towards Christians in the Holy Land and their wars of conquest in Europe. The crusades were not unprovoked as many modern "historians" would have a man believe.

If you would like referances from the Koran I'd be glad to provide them - or you could take my word for it

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

Originally posted by Br. Max
Soul: a rather cursory perusal of the Koran will put forward many passages in which is it clearly stated that it is the moral, religious and civic duty of every Muslim to convert, subjugate, and or kill every Christian and Jew in the world. They present themselves as a religion of peace to the West, but they are not. Few people realize that the Crusades were caused by the Muslim policies towards Christians in the Holy Land and their wars of conquest in Europe. The crusades were not unprovoked as many modern "historians" would have a man believe.

If you would like referances from the Koran I'd be glad to provide them - or you could take my word for it

I'd like to see the verses please, but could you also provide them in context? I mean, the atheists here take our verses so badly out of context that they make Christanity look very bad sometimes.

 

[vegan]

Just an interesting aside, when I lived in NYC, I taught at a Persian Yeshiva. The Persian Jews refered to God (their God) as Allah. Allah simply means God in Arabic.

I thought it was interesting to have all these frum-Jews call HaShem "Allah."

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

I was making the distinction between the God of the Bible and the god of the QuRan.

Correction, the DESCRIPTION of the one God is somewhat different.

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

Originally posted by Pray4Isrel
Somewhat? Try entirely different.

I wouldnt say that. Why do you think that?

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

Tell me what you saw and also tell me why you think their basic beliefs are to wipe out every Jew/Christian, thanks.

 

[dignitized]

soul: check out this site:

http://answering-islam.org/

also -

http://www.byzantines.net/epiphany/islam.htm

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

Your own link says:

Do all Muslims share this view of perpetual jihad until all the world submits to Allah as contemplated by Muhammad? Certainly not!

and...

Muslims are not uniform, but quite varied. Some are zealous for the Quran and Islam; some less zealous, and others indifferent. All prefer to identify themselves as Muslims. Muslims have a wide range of ethnic origins, opinions and interests. Although Arabs are honored as the "race of Muhammad", the Quran does not recognize races.

Obviously some Muslims can take certain scriptures literally and want to wage war on the infidels. The problem is that there is no unifying authority of Islam to set the record straight.

 

[dignitized]

soul: there is a division between the Western Muslims and Eastern Muslims. Western muslims are the ones who teach and preach Islam as peace. Eastern Muslims are the ones who have declaired Jihad on the west.

 

[Chris†opher Paul]

Originally posted by Br. Max
soul: there is a division between the Western Muslims and Eastern Muslims. Western muslims are the ones who teach and preach Islam as peace. Eastern Muslims are the ones who have declaired Jihad on the west.

Do you have some source for this please?

 

[dignitized]

soul: a muslim convert I'll see if I can find it witten somewhere for ya

 

[Higher Truth]

Quote:

"What do the Messianic Jews here think of Islam? Specifically, is Allah the same God as Yahweh? Do the Muslim people worship the God of Abraham, or not? If not, why not?"

I know that I came in on this thread a little late [sorry] but the first question that I would have to ask, is there any real proof that the God of Israel's name is Yahweh?

 

[dignitized]

Truth: Yahweh is an interpretation of the tetragrammaton. It saves alot of typing to say Yahwen or Jehovah rather tetragrammaton!!

 

[Higher Truth]

Br Max,

Yahweh is just a theoretical translation of the Name. Scholars in Israel are now looking at Yehowah as being a closer rendering. If this is so, who is everybody calling on?