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Islam doesn't condone terror

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Christians often refer to Islam as a terrorist religion, and they abuse the Arabic word "Jihad" and portray it as a reference to terrorism. We must not forget that JIHAD began in the Bible, where GOD Almighty Commanded His followers to fight for His Holy Cause. Let us look at what the Bible says about Jihad:

GOD Almighty Chose the land of Palestine to be the Jews' "Promise Land", and thus, ordered them to go into it and fight the pagans there so they can have possession over it:
Numbers 13:26-28
26 They came back to Moses and Aaron and the whole Israelite community at Kadesh in the Desert of Paran. There they reported to them and to the whole assembly and showed them the fruit of the land.
27 They gave Moses this account: "We went into the land to which you sent us, and it does flow with milk and honey! Here is its fruit.
28 But the people who live there are powerful, and the cities are fortified and very large. We even saw descendants of Anak there.

One simple Question: Did the disbelievers in the land of Palestine during the times of Moses start any war with the Hebrews who ORIGINALLY came from Egypt?? Absolutely Not!

Later on, the Hebrews or the "Israelites" or the "Jews" (call them as you wish) have committed Pedophilia, Murders and Terrorism against those disbelievers:
"Now kill all the boys [innocent kids]. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. (Numbers 31:17-18)"
Now what crime did the innocent children and non-virgin women commit in order for them to get killed?

It's odd how one of the 10 Commandments says "Thou shalt not kill (or murder). (Exodus 20:13)", and yet, the bible ordered the killing of innocent children and non-virgin girls by the mass!

Again I challange all of you to put up a verse in the Noble Quran where Allah (Swt) Orders to kill an innocent Boy/Woman.​
 
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Never mentioned in the bible? Oh...really.
So we have the Old Testament, Jews in their history have had their share of conflicts, military conquests, so on and so forth, what does this prove? That Jews today should grab their weapons and fight against forces, peoples, governments that DO NOT exist today? How do you apply this in the theological and historical context and how does it compare it to the vague definitions of non-believers in the Quran?
 
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''When we talk about Christianity, it's never EVER mentioned in any parts of the Bible or any other scriptures, as Christian world did apologize for the Crusades because it simply didnt fit the doctrines of Christianity whereas the same thing is an order of their god in Islam. ''

Never mentioned in the bible? Oh...really.

Deuteronomy
Chapter 2


32-37
And the LORD said unto me, Behold, I have begun to give Sihon and his land before thee: begin to possess, that thou mayest inherit his land. 32 Then Sihon came out against us, he and all his people, to fight at Jahaz. 33 And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. 34 And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain. 36 From Aroer, which is by the brink of the river of Arnon, and from the city that is by the river, even unto Gilead, there was not one city too strong for us: the LORD our God delivered all unto us


Deuteronomy
Chapter 25


1-3

1 If there be a controversy between men, and they come unto judgment, that the judges may judge them; then they shall justify the righteous, and condemn the wicked. 2 And it shall be, if the wicked man be worthy to be beaten, that the judge shall cause him to lie down, and to be beaten before his face, according to his fault, by a certain number. 3 Forty stripes he may give him, and not exceed: lest, if he should exceed, and beat him above these with many stripes, then thy brother should seem vile unto thee

Now I can understand that punishments like this can be carried on, the reason I post this is because CHRISTIANS do not accept things like this. When they read in the Quran that it says lash the ones who commit illegal sexual intercourse, the Christians start ranting how can you do such a thing! Thats so evil!!!!!! So I am just using their own argument against them, so as we see, the punishment of beating a sinner is in their own book. Hence based on their own arguments and own criteria, their book and God is not peaceful and is evil, and who is this God? It is Jesus.

Deuteronomy
Chapter 28
15-68

15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee: 16 Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field. 17 Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store. 18 Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep. 19 Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out. 20 The LORD shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken me. 21 The LORD shall make the pestilence cleave unto thee, until he have consumed thee from off the land, whither thou goest to possess it. 22 The LORD shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish. 23 And thy heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that is under thee shall be iron. 24 The LORD shall make the rain of thy land powder and dust: from heaven shall it come down upon thee, until thou be destroyed. 25 The LORD shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth. 26 And thy carcass shall be meat unto all fowls of the air, and unto the beasts of the earth, and no man shall fray them away. 27 The LORD will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emerods, and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed. 28 The LORD shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart: 29 And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee. 30 Thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her: thou shalt build an house, and thou shalt not dwell therein: thou shalt plant a vineyard, and shalt not gather the grapes thereof. 31 Thine ox shall be slain before thine eyes, and thou shalt not eat thereof: thine ass shall be violently taken away from before thy face, and shall not be restored to thee: thy sheep shall be given unto thine enemies, and thou shalt have none to rescue them. 32 Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long; and there shall be no might in thine hand. 33 The fruit of thy land, and all thy labors, shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed alway: 34 So that thou shalt be mad for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see. 35 The LORD shall smite thee in the knees, and in the legs, with a sore botch that cannot be healed, from the sole of thy foot unto the top of thy head. 36 The LORD shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone. 37 And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations whither the LORD shall lead thee. 38 Thou shalt carry much seed out into the field, and shalt gather but little in; for the locust shall consume it. 39 Thou shalt plant vineyards, and dress them, but shalt neither drink of the wine, nor gather the grapes; for the worms shall eat them. 40 Thou shalt have olive trees throughout all thy coasts, but thou shalt not anoint thyself with the oil; for thine olive shall cast his fruit. 41 Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity. 42 All thy trees and fruit of thy land shall the locust consume. 43 The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low. 44 He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.

45 Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee: 46 And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever. 47 Because thou servedst not the LORD thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, for the abundance of all things; 48 Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the LORD shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee. 49 The LORD shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand; 50 A nation of fierce countenance, which shall not regard the person of the old, nor show favor to the young: 51 And he shall eat the fruit of thy cattle, and the fruit of thy land, until thou be destroyed: which also shall not leave thee either corn, wine, or oil, or the increase of thy kine, or flocks of thy sheep, until he have destroyed thee. 52 And he shall besiege thee in all thy gates, until thy high and fenced walls come down, wherein thou trustedst, throughout all thy land: and he shall besiege thee in all thy gates throughout all thy land, which the LORD thy God hath given thee. 53 And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the LORD thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee: 54 So that the man that is tender among you, and very delicate, his eye shall be evil toward his brother, and toward the wife of his bosom, and toward the remnant of his children which he shall leave: 55 So that he will not give to any of them of the flesh of his children whom he shall eat: because he hath nothing left him in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee in all thy gates. 56 The tender and delicate woman among you, which would not adventure to set the sole of her foot upon the ground for delicateness and tenderness, her eye shall be evil toward the husband of her bosom, and toward her son, and toward her daughter, 57 And toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them for want of all things secretly in the siege and straitness, wherewith thine enemy shall distress thee in thy gates. 58 If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, THE LORD THY GOD; 59 Then the LORD will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance. 60 Moreover he will bring upon thee all the diseases of Egypt, which thou wast afraid of; and they shall cleave unto thee. 61 Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will the LORD bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed. 62 And ye shall be left few in number, whereas ye were as the stars of heaven for multitude; because thou wouldest not obey the voice of the LORD thy God. 63 And it shall come to pass, that as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it. 64 And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone. 65 And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the LORD shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind: 66 And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life: 67 In the morning thou shalt say, Would God it were even! and at even thou shalt say, Would God it were morning! for the fear of thine heart wherewith thou shalt fear, and for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see. 68 And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.

Now the reason I post this is because Christians namely Craig Winn claim Islam is not peaceful because Allah Warns of punishing people who dont follow him etc. Now since Christians believe that, then using their own criteria and own arguments then the verses I just posted show that it is infact their God who is violent and non peaceful because as you can see he will punish those who dont follow them in a very harsh manner. So Christians should not throw stones if they live in a glass house, and they do live in a glass house. I wonder what Craig Winn will have to see about these verses, I mean he does believe in this God who is warning of these punishments, if Christians have a problem with Allah punishing people then why dont they have a problem with their own God when he says he will punish people? So hence Christians must now admit their God is violent and not peaceful since they say Allah cant be God because of his wrath and punishments, if Christians do not admit it then they can no longer argue against Islam, if they continue to use this silly argument on Islam then they must leave their own religion. So they are in a bad dilema now, attack Islam and leave Christianity or dont attack Islam and therefore have nuthing much to attack Islam on. ;)



Exodus 21:7-11

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.

This is a sex slave. If she doesnt please the master? How is she supposed to please him? Now you know why the sex trade is so popular in Europe and Christian countries, because their book allows it! They are merely doing what their book allows.

Ezekiel 21
3 and say to her: 'This is what the LORD says: I am against you. I will draw my sword from its scabbard and cut off from you both the righteous and the wicked.
4 Because I am going to cut off the righteous and the wicked, my sword will be unsheathed against everyone from south to north.
5 Then all people will know that I the LORD have drawn my sword from its scabbard; it will not return again.'


Peace.

Sorry, you lose.

All those you mention are in the Old Testament, which, a people cannot understand without knowing the Christian theology. Please do some research about it, do some research about why there's none of them in the New Testament, and we may hold another conversation then.

Peace.
 
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Again I challange all of you to put up a verse in the Noble Quran where Allah (Swt) Orders to kill an innocent Boy/Woman.

Quoting the nutcase Osama Abdallah doesn't really help your case here, he has a polemical attitude towards any theological argument, he doesn't check his sources, he doesn't know biblical exegesis, in short, he is a very good example of a cyber-jihadist. Now you keep talking about "innocent" .... What is the definition of "innocent" in the islamic literature?
 
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Jesus was not expecting the Roman soldiers to be in the picture? When he realised Judas brought the Romans, he knew he was outnumbered and further violence would only bring death to a small band of religious group. Hence, those who live by the sword will die by the sword.

The whole episode does not suggest that using violence for self-defence is wrong. Of course, as your link noted, using and purchasing swords contradict the non-violence and being meek teachings of Jesus himself.


I agree. In fact, the bible writers seemed to exonerate the Romans from any part in the 'death' of Christ.

I think if Jesus had known they were being chased by Roman soldiers, Jesus would not told his disciples to buy swords.

Hello,
Jesus told His disciples to go to the market and buy one sword. Jesus was well aware of the events that would follow, and of Roman involvement.

Luke 22:36 - 38
36 He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.
37 It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.”
38 The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.”
“That’s enough!” he replied


That was immediately after the Last Supper, from which they went to the Garden of Gethsemane, on the Mount of Olives. it was there Jesus was arrested and Peter drew the sword to cut the soldier's ear off. Jesus healed the soldier, but without the sword Jesus would not have found occasion to say that those who live by the sword will die by the sword. Had Peter not have stepped forward to defend Jesus, swords might not have been drawn at all. The sword's purpose was to make God's position on such things perfectly clear.


At the crucifixion of Jesus, there were three types of people present; those with hearts towards Him, as in John, Mary, and the one of those crucified with Him; those with hearts set against him, as in those scribes and Pharisees whom Jesus has previously said were of the father the devil; and the Roman soldiers who were just following orders - to them He was just another unknown criminal - although Pilate could find no fault in him. Those who had committed the unforgivable sin would have found no forgiveness, so when Jesus said those words of love from the cross, "Father forgive them because they do not know what they are doing," In the main it would have been for those Roman soldiers.


Of course, the Resurrection of Jesus from the dead is Gods' verdict! Not guilty and upheld and proven by Almighty God. No doubt!
 
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Actually, it's always important to get the point in these kind of arguments: On what basis did all these happen ? Well, all the muslims did was a direct order of their koran and therefore they believe that it's a heavenly mission to kill non-muslims.
When we talk about Christianity, it's never EVER mentioned in any parts of the Bible or any other scriptures, as Christian world did apologize for the Crusades because it simply didnt fit the doctrines of Christianity whereas the same thing is an order of their god in Islam.

I don't know how many artists-philosophers etc of the golden-muslim age you know, but I know quite a lot of them did start to act AGAINST their religion as they got more into arts and philosophy and other stuff, I can give you one example, Omar Hayyam, he was a Turkish guy but if there's an English translation of his works, you can get the point very well.

Peace.

The Crusades in the Bible:

Revelation 13:7
He was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation
 
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Sorry, you lose.

All those you mention are in the Old Testament, which, a people cannot understand without knowing the Christian theology. Please do some research about it, do some research about why there's none of them in the New Testament, and we may hold another conversation then.

Peace.

''When we talk about Christianity, it's never EVER mentioned in any parts of the Bible or any other scriptures,''

That's what you said. Old testament is a part of the bible and ''other scriptures''.
 
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Quoting the nutcase Osama Abdallah doesn't really help your case here, he has a polemical attitude towards any theological argument, he doesn't check his sources, he doesn't know biblical exegesis, in short, he is a very good example of a cyber-jihadist. Now you keep talking about "innocent" .... What is the definition of "innocent" in the islamic literature?

An innocent person is someone who haven't fought you, treated your safety, driven you out of your home. That's innocent.
 
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I will put up Iraq where many women and children have been and are being killed

I've already put up examples to them but they deny it and change subject. To them it's a big different when the killing of civilians are 100 thousand or 200 thousand... In the Quran killing a human begin is like killing the whole mankind (thats the wealth of a human) and saving a human begins life is like saving all mankind.

Peace.
 
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An innocent person is someone who haven't fought you, treated your safety, driven you out of your home. That's innocent.

That is actually a dictionary definition, which is legit but that is not so much the definition of what the jihadists consider when the tables turn. Therefore logically an Palestinian kid who waves his AK-47 should be considered innocent but he is not, he is a combatant. The term innocent can be explained away with such a wide connotation based on the religious and political situation that anyone can define it as they see it fit. People that die in jihadist attacks were innocent, too. Those European boys who were forced into janissary institutions were also innocent, so?
 
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In the Quran killing a human begin is like killing the whole mankind (thats the wealth of a human) and saving a human begins life is like saving all mankind.

Peace.
Then, Muhammad has no idea of the Quran because he has killed himself...
 
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''When we talk about Christianity, it's never EVER mentioned in any parts of the Bible or any other scriptures,''

That's what you said. Old testament is a part of the bible and ''other scriptures''.
The problem is that he offered you the argument that Christian Scriptures has a complete picture, it reveals us the history of mankind under God's guidance and God's action with and towards men, and upholding His standards. God gave guidance but never ever needed mankind's defense or effort to uphold His own law unlike Islamists seem to think of. So maybe you can tell us which command of Allah abrogates one another in this respect in the Quran...
 
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That is actually a dictionary definition, which is legit but that is not so much the definition of what the jihadists consider when the tables turn. Therefore logically an Palestinian kid who waves his AK-47 should be considered innocent but he is not, he is a combatant. The term innocent can be explained away with such a wide connotation based on the religious and political situation that anyone can define it as they see it fit. People that die in jihadist attacks were innocent, too. Those European boys who were forced into janissary institutions were also innocent, so?

I never claimed I supported ''Jihadist'', I never did it. You are pathetic right now when you try to collide islam and ''Jihadists''. I've already given you evidence in the Quran that terror didn't start in the Quran, instead it begun in the bible. Find me a Quran verse when killing is aloud, (Killing innocent). You still got lack of knowledge in your bible, this is a humans wealth according to Bible.

Leviticus 25:44-46 "Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly."

What kind of a human value does the Bible give to slaves? If slaves and their children must be inherited and passed down to newer generations as slaves, then how in the world will they ever gain their freedom? Does the Bible believe in Freedom? Does the Bible believe in liberating human beings from slavery? Apparently it does not.



And Jews are discribed as dogs.

All Gentiles are the Jews' dogs:
Matthew 7:6
6 "Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.

Whatever happened to:

Matthew 5:20,43-44
20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
43 "You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.'
44 But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
 
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The problem is that he offered you the argument that Christian Scriptures has a complete picture, it reveals us the history of mankind under God's guidance and God's action with and towards men, and upholding His standards. God gave guidance but never ever needed mankind's defense or effort to uphold His own law unlike Islamists seem to think of. So maybe you can tell us which command of Allah abrogates one another in this respect in the Quran...

Define terror for me, find out what it is, find a verse in the Quran that supports it and stop look like a fool in my eyes. Right now it's word against word, you don't put up anything....Until then I will just ignore you.
 
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Define terror for me, find out what it is, find a verse in the Quran that supports it and stop look like a fool in my eyes. Right now it's word against word, you don't put up anything....Until then I will just ignore you.

Because you have no foundation to stand on,you view Jesus as a prophet,but don't realize He is infinitely greater than all the prophets.Nothing will change until muslims can grasp the futility of ritualistic religion and then turn from it and embrace true faith.The cycle of Jihadist violence will continue while the majority of moderate muslims say nothing because in the interest of Dar al Harb becoming Dar al Islam the end justifies the means.One day this strife will end and when the final curtain call comes,all who have rejected Jesus will be in for a rude awaking.
 
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Because you have no foundation to stand on,you view Jesus as a prophet,but don't realize He is infinitely greater than all the prophets.Nothing will change until muslims can grasp the futility of ritualistic religion and then turn from it and embrace true faith.The cycle of Jihadist violence will continue while the majority of moderate muslims say nothing because in the interest of Dar al Harb becoming Dar al Islam the end justifies the means.One day this strife will end and when the final curtain call comes,all who have rejected Jesus will be for a rude awaking.

There's nothing called moderate muslims. It's just something that west try to tell us. We truely respect Jesus (Pbuh) but we don't accepet him as begin a part of God (Gods son). Why should I base my faith, my way of life in a corrupted book? Written by men? Written from words of men? Hmmm...Certainly Islam has more to offer for the people that search for the truth. I've already put up evidence about terrorism is not from Islam but you keep discussing it which means you haven't read what have been said and swim in a sea of ignorance.

Peace.
 
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