Islam doesn't condone terror

eb9090 · Feb 13, 2011

FRM48 said:
Translation of all you said, I'm just another closed minded bigot.You can't really believe the Israeli/Palestinian dilemma is purely political.If you actually believe that than enlighten me on the reason for the uprisings everytime a Jewish Official was going to visit the temple mount ,or the riots when Jewish archaeologists were digging around the temple mount.For any type of peace settlement to have a chance of succeeding both sides would have to honestly address Political/Religious/and Economic issues.Israel would need security guarantees that go beyond what the P.A. has been able to offer so far.Hamas needs to be eliminated from the process and from Israel.The Palestinian people need to drop Hamas and unite as one people with the P.A as their sole negotiating entity.

I am not calling you closed minded bigot, all of us have different point of views and opinions. Religion has very little to do with the conflict, Jews, Muslims, Christians have also lived side by side before Israel was created, I was reading a news where Lebanese Jew have said Yasser Arafat have been good to them, she said once a Fatah soldier who was in charge of food parcel distribution to Wadi residents was urged by a Shia Muslim girl to give food to Muslims first, Christians 2nd and Jews last, the soldier replied: "we will give first to the Jews, then the Christians, then the Muslims".

I wish a time like the Golden Age of Islam or better would come again, where Jews, Muslims, Christian lived well and the nation flourished. Where technology marveled and great achievements were made. Where it was not just about conquering as much land as possible but developing a nation and its people no matter what religion ethically, economically and trying to make great achievements.

Servant of Jesus · Feb 13, 2011

eb9090 said:
I wish a time like the Golden Age of Islam or better would come again, where Jews, Muslims, Christian lived well and the nation flourished. Where technology marveled and great achievements were made. Where it was not just about conquering as much land as possible but developing a nation and its people no matter what religion ethically, economically and trying to make great achievements.

It's already there- in the United States! Where democracy, law and order, and respect for all races and religions supersedes any religious considerations- nobody is allowed to murder or otherwise harm or treat unequally anyone just because they are of a different religion, ethnic class, gender, race, sexual orientation, etc. etc.

Canada is even better- virtually nobody is allowed to carry guns, and they have a true multiple-party political party system where you don't have to be a multi-billionaire to become Prime Minister.

FRM48 · Feb 13, 2011

Servant of Jesus said:
It's already there- in the United States! Where democracy, law and order, and respect for all races and religions supersedes any religious considerations- nobody is allowed to murder or otherwise harm or treat unequally anyone just because they are of a different religion, ethnic class, gender, race, sexual orientation, etc. etc.

Canada is even better- virtually nobody is allowed to carry guns, and they have a true multiple-party political party system where you don't have to be a multi-billionaire to become Prime Minister.

Ummm,Canada also has laws on the books that prohibit religious free speech.Don't talk about homosexuality being a sin,you'll be arrested for hate speech.

Montalban · Feb 13, 2011

eb9090 said:
I am not calling you closed minded bigot, all of us have different point of views and opinions. Religion has very little to do with the conflict, Jews, Muslims, Christians have also lived side by side before Israel was created, I was reading a news where Lebanese Jew have said Yasser Arafat have been good to them, she said once a Fatah soldier who was in charge of food parcel distribution to Wadi residents was urged by a Shia Muslim girl to give food to Muslims first, Christians 2nd and Jews last, the soldier replied: "we will give first to the Jews, then the Christians, then the Muslims".

I wish a time like the Golden Age of Islam or better would come again, where Jews, Muslims, Christian lived well and the nation flourished. Where technology marveled and great achievements were made. Where it was not just about conquering as much land as possible but developing a nation and its people no matter what religion ethically, economically and trying to make great achievements.

You religion states not to have a Jew or Christian even as a close friend. It establishes walls between you and 'non-believers'.

The Koran is full of verses that are derogatory - aimed principally at the Jews, but also some at Christians as well.

Montalban · Feb 13, 2011

eb9090 said:
So why don't you really find out what Islam is about and be open minded to it instead of trying very hard to find ways to look Islam bad?

Even Nazis had families.

SlaveOfGod · Feb 13, 2011

Montalban said:
You religion states not to have a Jew or Christian even as a close friend. It establishes walls between you and 'non-believers'.

The Koran is full of verses that are derogatory - aimed principally at the Jews, but also some at Christians as well.

Yes no friends

You are impure

GrowingSmaller · Feb 13, 2011

The simple truth is that what counts as "true Islam" is contested amongst Muslims. And we have those who condone terror, and we have those who don't.

Montalban · Feb 13, 2011

GrowingSmaller said:
The simple truth is that what counts as "true Islam" is contested amongst Muslims. And we have those who condone terror, and we have those who don't.

And those that do condone it have a long history of interpretation to support them.

JJWhite · Feb 13, 2011

SlaveOfGod said:
Yes no friends

You are impure

You're not funny, bro.

FRM48 · Feb 13, 2011

SlaveOfGod said:
Yes no friends

You are impure

Wow, there's a surprise.

Apodictic · Feb 13, 2011

GrowingSmaller said:
The simple truth is that what counts as "true Islam" is contested amongst Muslims. And we have those who condone terror, and we have those who don't.

No different than any other religion.

Everyone has an opinion. Some slightly different. Some miles apart.

Put a group of people together and complete unity becomes more unachievable as you add members.

Now extrapolate this to a population of over 1 billion people. No agreement? No surprise.

I can't even get my 5 other team members to agree with me on matters related to the conduct of our group as outlined by our company. You expect over 1 billion people to agree on something as broad as their world views and religious views? Fantasy my dear friend. Fantasy...

Montalban · Feb 13, 2011

Apodictic said:
No different than any other religion.

Everyone has an opinion. Some slightly different. Some miles apart.

Put a group of people together and complete unity becomes more unachievable as you add members.

Now extrapolate this to a population of over 1 billion people. No agreement? No surprise.

I can't even get my 5 other team members to agree with me on matters related to the conduct of our group as outlined by our company. You expect over 1 billion people to agree on something as broad as their world views and religious views? Fantasy my dear friend. Fantasy...

By that argument we can't use terms such as "Moslem" or "Christian" because they would essentially become undefinable.

Forturnately the world doesn't work like that.

If I proclaim that the Bible was written 15 years ago in Sumatra by a giant chicken, this wouldn't make it "Chrisitan belief"

Words have meaning.

Islam has a meaning.

Islam has a broad set of beliefs that are encompassed by the term "Islam"

In that broad set of beliefs are beliefs on using violence to spread the faith.

And, of using violence against those that speak out against Islam.

Montalban · Feb 13, 2011

JJWhite said:
You're not funny, bro.

If only he meant it as a joke. The Koran and Hadith teach you this about us

b&wpac7 · Feb 13, 2011

I seriously wonder what we could actually accomplish if we were to take all of this basically meaningless discussion about whatever and put it toward something productive like helping the homeless or trying to eliminate poverty.

JJWhite · Feb 13, 2011

b&wpac7 said:
I seriously wonder what we could actually accomplish if we were to take all of this basically meaningless discussion about whatever and put it toward something productive like helping the homeless or trying to eliminate poverty.

You're right. Sigh.

Montalban · Feb 13, 2011

b&wpac7 said:
I seriously wonder what we could actually accomplish if we were to take all of this basically meaningless discussion about whatever and put it toward something productive like helping the homeless or trying to eliminate poverty.

Are you assuming people don't do this too?

However I find issues of men's souls equally important

b&wpac7 · Feb 13, 2011

Montalban said:
Are you assuming people don't do this too?

You know, I almost put this as what I believed would be the standard reply.

Read what I said and reflect upon it. I don't care what you have to say on it either way.

Montalban · Feb 13, 2011

JJWhite said:
You're right. Sigh.

I take it then that this is goodbye from you?

Montalban · Feb 13, 2011

b&wpac7 said:
You know, I almost put this as what I believed would be the standard reply.

I was going to say you posting your item made it ironic.

b&wpac7 said:
Read what I said and reflect upon it.

Again with the underlying assumptions!

b&wpac7 said:
I don't care what you have to say on it either way.

Odd place to be then? Do you have a blog site where I can just go read your opinions without interacting? I'd really prefer that then meaningless discussions.

b&wpac7 · Feb 13, 2011

Interfaith dialogue can take a few routes.

There are those who only wish to have strife and conflict. These people are the enemies of peace. They do not wish for the world to get better, to attempt less war, to attempt less suffering through religious conflict. They merely care about their side being better or winning.

There are also those who wish to find common ground. To have peaceful discussions where each side can learn and understand better. They do what those who wish to create conflict hate; they talk. Talk is the great enemy of conflict. When people become humanized, it is harder to harm them. The conflict minded people wish to reduce the other side into beings that are less than human, that move with a single mind and are only there to fight.

It is up to each of us to decide which side we wish to be on.

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