Islam and the Immaculate Conception

[Brother Simon]

Do Muslims believe in the Immaculate Conception of Mary? Thanks.

With love,
Simon

 

[français]

i think they do

 

[traversinginfinity]

they believe she was a virgin, and had Jesus by an immaculate birth, yes.

The Immaculate Conception has nothing to do with the birth of Jesus, it's the Catholic teaching Mary was immaculately conceived in her mother's womb without the stain of Original Sin. Hence, Mary was sinless from the moment of her conception, thanks to a special grace from God.

 

[français]

LOL i am sooo stupid. i was thinking of a different word lol.

anyways, but i believe muslims believe she was sinless too. although i can't be too sure, as the qu'ran says that mohammad, their own prophet sinned.

 

[traversinginfinity]

LOL i am sooo stupid. i was thinking of a different word lol.

You are NOT stupid! It's an easy thing to misunderstand especially if you're not Catholic. The only reason I knew is because I used to be Catholic

anyways, but i believe muslims believe she was sinless too. although i can't be too sure, as the qu'ran says that mohammad, their own prophet sinned.

The Quran does say that Allah chose her above all women and "made her pure", and it seems to me that "made her pure" is a perfect discription of the Immaculate Conception.

Quran 3:42 And when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah hath chosen thee and made thee pure, and hath preferred thee above (all) the women of creation.

 

[Adeeb]

Narrated Said bin Al-Musaiyab:
Abu Huraira said, "I heard Allah's Apostle saying, 'There is none born among the off-spring of Adam, but Satan touches it. A child therefore, cries loudly at the time of birth because of the touch of Satan, except Mary and her child." Then Abu Huraira recited: "And I seek refuge with You for her and for her offspring from the outcast Satan" (3.36) Sahih Al-Bukhari


Quran 3:35-37

3:35 Behold! a woman of 'Imran(mother of Mary) said: "O my Lord! I do dedicate unto Thee what is in my womb for Thy special service: So accept this of me: For Thou hearest and knowest all things."

3:36 When she was delivered, she said: "O my Lord! Behold! I am delivered of a female child!"- and God knew best what she brought forth- "And no wise is the male Like the female. I have named her Mary, and I commend her and her offspring to Thy protection from the Evil One, the Rejected."

3:37 Right graciously did her Lord accept her: He made her grow in purity and beauty: To the care of Zakariya was she assigned. Every time that he entered (Her) chamber to see her, He found her supplied with sustenance. He said: "O Mary! Whence (comes) this to you?" She said: "From God: for God Provides sustenance to whom He pleases without measure.

 

[anatolian]

Do Muslims believe in the Immaculate Conception of Mary? Thanks.

With love,
Simon

Selam, no according to Quran Mary's father name was Imran,there is no such a teaching she was born fatherless like Christ...but this doesnt make her a potential sinner because there is not an 'original sin' teaching in islam

 

[yourfriend58]

LOL i am sooo stupid. i was thinking of a different word lol.

anyways, but i believe muslims believe she was sinless too. although i can't be too sure, as the qu'ran says that mohammad, their own prophet sinned.

How does tha Qoran state that the prophet Muhamad ( peace be upon Him) sinned !
THe Qoran doesn't

 

[yourfriend58]

Brother Simon



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[anatolian]

I think catholics believe Maryam was born fatherless like Masih

 

[yourfriend58]

Really !​

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If this is what meant then ; we ;Muslims ; don't believe so .​

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[Futuwwa]

I think catholics believe Maryam was born fatherless like Masih

No, they don't. Immaculate conception =/= virgin birth.

But yes, since there is no Original Sin in Islam, the concept of immaculate conception is irrelevant.

 

[dnihila]

This is what I found about the immaculate conception of Mary:
http://www.catholic-forum.com/Saints/gdi205.htm
But here they didn't say that she was fatherless they say that she was born from a hevenly father whom according to my way of thinking could be a person who has died and lives in heaven ( his soul ) because it said heavinly father. Or they mean that he was accepted by Allah to be in heaven.And I said before ,because Mary was alive at that time of that merical.And that's true that her father died and In God's will (Allah's will ),he sent her father to heaven. And she met the angel Jabriel who was carrying the soul to let her get pregnant. but why don't you think that she had a heavenly marriage with that spirit who was alive then. For us as humans must of think of logical ideas. . And in my opinion , if she will be fatherless, that means that it runs in the family for the chain of inheriting similar characterestics which lead to the result that Mary ( Marriam ) ( PBUH) has her child Jesus (PBUH) from a heavenly spirit who was not alive yet and I say before her husband exists but his soul does for the reason that Jesus (PBUH) was not born yet.All souls are taken from the Creator's soul the same way He created Adam with no father and no mother . He said that He created Jesus (PBUH ) fatherless. But we didn't say that Adam is a god. For him having more power that he was born fatherless and motherless. As a conclusion to what I have mentioned before about what we have learned before in Islam that she will be the lady of heaven and will get married to prophet Muhammad ( PBUH). Prophet Jesus (PBUH) has a father then, but he wasn't alive in a body yet. I have this logical way of thinking which most Muslims tried to avoid out of not wanting to get into it for them accepting the direct words from the Muslim's scholars. But I need to clarify some points that you believe in and we all are asked to think otherwise we want have brains to use.

But I have several questions for you brother Simon:
1. Do you want to check if Islam has mentioned anything about this?
2. Do you want to compare what has been said in the bible to what we have in our Holy Quran like finding out the similaraties and the differences?
3. Do you want to hold a comparision between the two religions? For me thinknig that there will be a benifit for both sides and I will be the first one to participate .
4. What's the importance of knowing if we believe in this concept or not? Because we will be happy if you tell us the reason behind ?

This is what we believe about Mary in Islam:
http://www.islamonline.net/english/introducingislam/Belief/Messengers/article02.shtml
Thank you

 

[GenuineMonotheist]

Do Muslims believe in the Immaculate Conception of Mary? Thanks.

With love,
Simon

No, because they don't believe in "original sin" at all. As such, they wouldn't believe the Virgin Mary to be "specially exempt".

 

[GenuineMonotheist]

LOL i am sooo stupid. i was thinking of a different word lol.

anyways, but i believe muslims believe she was sinless too. although i can't be too sure, as the qu'ran says that mohammad, their own prophet sinned.

It's apples and oranges - Islam believes that all of the Prophets are free from sin.

Neither the Qur'an nor the Sunnah (verifiable traditions about what Muhammed did, said, or approved of, and in what ways) say anything about him or any of the Prophets sinning. What they do point to (and this is key) is that they are ultimately only human beings (Jesus included). That means they only have human knowledge, just like the rest of us, EXCEPT for what God informs them of or allows them to specially perceive, because only He by nature "sees all". It is my understanding that this is how Islam understands the Prophet Adam (Islam regards him as not only the father of humanity, but also the first Prophet of God). His was an error of judgement, in choosing the lesser over the greater. As far as I know, Islam does not attribute so much severity to Adam's misjudgement as the Christian tradition does, or even the Jewish one for that matter.

Though it should be said that even within Christianity not all traditions hold the severe "original sin" doctrine. Many of the Eastern Orthodox Christians don't accept at least the Roman Catholic/Protestant type "original sin" teaching, though what they believe is still (like the Jewish teaching) more "hard" on Adam than the Qur'an or Muhammed's sayings on the topic would be.

As for the sinlessness of Mary, I'm not sure what the Islamic consensus would be on that, if there is one at all.

 

[anatolian]

welcome GeniuneMonotheist, you seem to be well educated of islam...

 

[GenuineMonotheist]

The Quran does say that Allah chose her above all women and "made her pure", and it seems to me that "made her pure" is a perfect discription of the Immaculate Conception.

Quran 3:42 And when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah hath chosen thee and made thee pure, and hath preferred thee above (all) the women of creation.

Good point. However I'm not sure how different scholars of Islam understand this verse in light of it's original Arabic, other verses in the Qur'an, and whatever else can verifiably be attributed to the preaching and sayings of Muhammed. Which in all fairness should make sense to anyone, even if they're not Muslims, if they want to know what the meaning of the Qur'an in fact is, or any of it's parts. Though the dynamic is not exactly the same, I think Catholics understand the idea of the necessity of reading sacred writings in their proper context, both in terms of the text itself but also what is understood to be the example and other teachings of a given Prophet and his early disciples.

At the same time, it's important to point out that whether or not Islam teaches that Mary was preserved from ever becoming a sinner, the same could be said of the Prophets in general (as per the Islamic consensus based on Qur'an & Sunnah.) This isn't as wild as some believe, if you consider...

a) Islam believes that God gives His words to only the best of mankind - it is these He chooses to use as His Messengers, not just any joe-schmo.

b) Despite caricturizations to the contrary, Islam could rightfully be called a "religion of grace", in that God not only forgives sins in exchange for sincere repentence, but because it also believes one can only be "on the right way" if "guided by God." IOW. without outright denying free-choice, God chooses His faithful as He see's fit, and whoever does not have God as his helper can be helped by no one, no matter what it is, including blessedness in the next life. So obviously just as God chooses, He guides. The Prophets would be examples of this in the highest degree.

 

[GenuineMonotheist]

Selam, no according to Quran Mary's father name was Imran,there is no such a teaching she was born fatherless like Christ...but this doesnt make her a potential sinner because there is not an 'original sin' teaching in islam

In Catholicism "the Immaculate Conception" is different from the "Virgin Birth" of Jesus. The Immaculate Conception (I.C.) refers to the belief that Mary was conceived "without original sin" by her two natural parents. It has nothing to do with the idea that she had no biological father, like Jesus and Adam.

 

[Brother Simon]

I got this off of a website, which could or could not be reliable, so please forgive me if the formatting and/or content is incorrect.

Abu Huraira said, "I heard Allah's Apostle saying, 'There is none born among the off-spring of Adam, but Satan touches it. A child therefore, cries loudly at the time of birth because of the touch of Satan, except Mary and her child." Then Abu Huraira recited: "And I seek refuge with You for her and for her offspring from the outcast Satan" (3.36) (Sahih Bukhari 4.641)

What is the "touch of Satan" exactly? Would that not be akin to the doctrine of Original Sin? Thanks.

With love,
Simon

 

[Raul7]

I got this off of a website, which could or could not be reliable, so please forgive me if the formatting and/or content is incorrect.



What is the "touch of Satan" exactly? Would that not be akin to the doctrine of Original Sin? Thanks.

With love,
Simon

No, basically Jesus and Mary (peace be upon them both) were free from the constant whispers of Satan that tell mankind to continually sin and disobey their Lord. Hence, they were not subject to the pressures of having to ward off the Devil - unlike us.