Isaiah 65:17-25

[JasperJackson]

I was reading through this section which is about the New Heavens and the New Earth but was confused when I found references to people living to 100 years old. If this section of Isaiah is about the eternal state of the new creation, then why are people still dying?

 

[Fireinfolding]

Theres the new creature we are In Christ, but it does speak of the outward man perishing but the inward man is renewed day by day and also the folding them up but Him remaining.

Do you think there might be something seen in Abraham regarding the same hundred years after a spiritual truth maybe?

Gen 17:17 Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a CHILD be born unto HIM that is an HUNDRED YEARS OLD? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?

Gen 17:19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a SON INDEED; and thou shalt call his name ISAAC: and I will establish my covenant with HIM for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.

Isaiah 65:20 There shall be NO MORE thence an infant of days, nor an OLD MAN that hath not FILLED HIS DAYS: for THE CHILD shall DIE an HUNDRED YEARS OLD; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

Abraham says CHILD, God says a SON and that of an OLD MAN. The CHILD shall DIE HUNDRED YEARS OLD is the exact time a SON is given Abraham

There appears to be both a child dying a hundred years and sinner of the same age accursed. Dont know except what appears to be a comparison as it pertains to the age. I often find the number of years also sometimes point to other things. For example God numbers mans years in Genesis to 120 years, and its upon Moses those years fall to wherein its also God who burries Moses 120 years old. Prophetically before the flood (In Genesis) to which Peter speaks of the figure of baptism (pertaining to the Jordan) before which Moses died and The law (Moses) and the prophets prophesied UNTIL John (who baptized IN the Jordan) In years and figures they all correlate.

Water and Fire pertaining to the heavens of old and of new as well.

Can add anything yet but sometimes these things take a bit of thinking on them before they build a bigger picture and are often compareable elsewhere though they might not yeild (at least right away) an understanding.

Wish I could help, just looking at these things myself too

 

[ebia]

I was reading through this section which is about the New Heavens and the New Earth but was confused when I found references to people living to 100 years old. If this section of Isaiah is about the eternal state of the new creation, then why are people still dying?

Isaiah's descriptions are poetic and metaphorical, and 100 years is a very old age in world where most people die in their 40s.

 

[ittarter]

Clearly Isaiah did not have individual immortality as a characteristic of the utopic future world of God's absolute reign.

He probably assumed that people would go on living and dying as they always had. The point being emphasized, though, is the incredible picture of all those who die in infancy instead living a full life, whose length (as Ebia said) is unimaginably long (i.e. satisfying, wonderful, fulfilling).

 

[razeontherock]

I've seen it posted on CF that in the ancient world Spirituality was signified by height. I don't think that's true. I think it's signified by age. So Isaiah's statement becomes .. significant (LOL) The 100 year old sinner becoming accursed = the child dying.

Law of sin and death.

Isaiah jumps all over the place. I don't think this can be describing eternity, but the millennial reign.

 

[ittarter]

Isaiah jumps all over the place. I don't think this can be describing eternity, but the millennial reign.

I dunno about this image I have of Isaiah the hopping bunny rabbit , but I agree that his eschatology includes a chronological rather than non-chronological component, if that's what you mean.

 

[Znex]

Isaiah's descriptions are poetic and metaphorical, and 100 years is a very old age in world where most people die in their 40s.

I agree. He isn't focusing on that people die in the post-resurrection age, but rather that if someone did die when they were 100, let alone 40, that they would still be considered to be a youth. Isaiah is illustrating the full extent of our immortality gifted to us by God by using contrasts to our current lives.