Isaiah 53 Question???

[riverpastor]

Shalom to y'all (I'm from the south),

I've popped in from the Congregation: Charismatic Forum where I spend most of my time to post a question to Messianic Christians here.

From Isaiah 53:3-5

He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of G-d, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our trangressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.​

Does anyone here have the understanding that the provision of Jesus' suffering and death affords just a "spiritual" healing, or both a spiritual and physical healing?

What think ye?


riverpastor

 

[Sephania]

I would think that this would be both, and notice that it says we ARE healed? I guess all we have to do is accept that? It would be good to do a study on transgressions vs iniquities using the Torah, as you can see they are both mentioned here.

 

[riverpastor]

Todah Zayit,

It seems that we would just accept that. In I Peter 2:24, Peter states that we "have been healed".

I was wondering what the Torah says about Isaiah 53???

riverpastor

 

[YatzivPatgam]

I was wondering what the Torah says about Isaiah 53???

Explain this sentance to me. It makes no sense.

 

[simchat_torah]

I think maybe riverpastor meant the Talmud?

Riverpastor, you do understand that the Torah is the first 5 books of the bible, nu?

 

[YatzivPatgam]

I think maybe riverpastor meant the Talmud?

Lets hope not! We could be here for months!

 

[Sephania]

Well if that's true I better go get some provisions, I'll start with nice Pastrami sandwich ( Course I gotta eat that before Monday)

I think that he didn't understand what I meant. Do a study on iniquity, Afflicted and transgression.

 

[riverpastor]

Way to go fellows. Way to make a grafted in Gentile real welcome here...

Yes, the Talmud... Not the Torah (first 5 right? - books of Moshe)...

Yes, the study of iniquity, afflicted and transgression...

Let me ask this just as plainly as possible...

What does the original Hebrew text say in regards to healing in Isaiah 53? Would it indicate to anyone in this forum whatsoever according to your understanding at all that it speaks of only a "spiritual" healing or possibly both a "spiritual and physical" healing from a Messianic Judaism point of view??? Specifically verse 4 - "Surely he hath borne our griefs (sicknesses), and carried (borne) our sorrows: yet we did esteem (machinated) him stricken (plagued), smitten of G-d (Elohim), and afflicted (abased)." (exeGeses parallel bible)

When Jesus died on the Cross, was physical, bodily healing provided for in the atonement???

rp (I've only been to Israel twice, didn't visit the University - - forgive my ignorance)

 

[JewishHeart]

RiverPastor,

Like your name.... I'm a messianic drunk myself hahahaha !!! I'll take another drink.

 

[Sephania]

I am sorry Pastor, we are all a touch messhuganah here as of late.

regarding what you asked about healing. I beleive that the healing was two-fold. Healing of our souls from sin , this was accomplished by the blood, and healing of the body, physically and mentally was done by him taking these things on in his body. Psalms 103 is a good reference.

 

[Charlesinflorida]

Excuse me folks for interupting your thread. I seem to have a hole in my computer desktop and my postings keep falling through it. Have you seen any of my posts in here anywhere. They must be going some place. No? Ok! Sorry! Carry on!

CIF

 

[ShirChadash]

Charles. Really. PLease?