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Is YEC science? Is is even really a theory?

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No doubt I will decline the
invitation. When someone goes
off on the "assumptions and
speculations" thing on any topic,
conversation is over.
 
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Disingenuous because Genesis does not say how nor did I ever imply it did.
Gimme a break. Genesis says exactly how. It says that He did it by an act of supernatural creation. No natural processes whatsoever. What's your take on that...gee, I really don't know how He does it!

Are you trying to convince yourself? 'Cos you sure aren't convincing anyone else.
 
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Not, not "In other words, there are no facts" because that would be a lie.

The facts that the research is based on are facts about the physical world. They aren't literary and philosophical conjecture it's research into the form and function of the chemistry of the modern and ancient world.
No it's absolutely challengeable because there is extensive evidence for the Big Bang theory that conclusively demonstrates trends on a macro scale and evidence about long scale space and time variation across the universe.

The only fact free statement here is "factual basis of the other theories is very weak" when the only detail you even attack is a hypotheses that was never even described as a theory.

You can't reason someone out of an idea they didn't reason themselves into.

You may have read books, but without any evidence it's just your personal religious conviction.

There has been geological studies for literal centuries demonstrating problem with your beliefs... your have been, in any common use of the term, proven wrong.

That's the assertion, but if you can't demonstrate that they happen then you can't use science's inability to demonstrate it as an argument.

You also ignored the specific point I made. It wasn't just that miracles are necessary for a YEC narrative, it's miracles that specifically mimic a old Earth and an evolutionary history of life.


Blatantly false.

We don't need to know anything about preflood genetics to see that there is only so much genetic diversity you can fit in four people.

Each trait in a sexual organism has one gene from each parent, so Noah, Mrs. Noah and the three girls along for the ride demonstrate the total genetic diversity of humanity in the narrative... from an era after the initial cities were being built in the Middle East (and elsewhere).

It's much, much worse with the animal species with only two individuals.
Whole clumps of existing earth with their features could be included in sedimentary rock. The flood event is without analogy.
Not true.

We have floods, tsunamis and deep ocean behaviors to trivially study the mechanical effects of water.

A world wide flood is an unheard of level of destruction never seen since the beginning of complex life, let alone since the begining of civillisation.
Just making up ideas like instantaneous light or different physics to hand wave physical evidence to support your religious conviction isn't convincing.

In addition it doesn't answer the question about events after the fall or after the flood.

If I create a light show that's intermixed with visible real events that's inherently manipulative and dishonest.

As I said, so what, you cannot do anything with that knowledge, least of all create biological organisms from chemistry, so there is no real scientific understanding here.

Not true, a detailed understanding of the interactions of basic chemistry and the makeup of life is a useful field of study in general without offering an explanation for the origin opf life.

This has to be taken case by case and there are doubts about every so called piece of evidence here that has been used to dispute timespans.
Yeah you have doubts and disputes... but no evidence.
 
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Equality before the law. For some that is very hard to understand.
True. The Christians who want to be
more equal than anyone else, with special
deals in violation of the constitution, say.

The Equality some fools seem to want would
actually have cults of every sort subsidized to
preach in publicly funded arenas.
 
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Science has progressed "a tiny little bit" since 1859.
You should try to actualize your knowledge .

I'm simply comparing "Darwin's Tree with God's Bushes."

If you want to drop "Darwin's Tree," I'll drop "God's Bushes."
 
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The Equality some fools seem to want would actually have cults of every sort subsidized to preach in publicly funded arenas.

You know why that is?

Because academia thinks these other characters are gods, and refuses to acknowledge them as fallen angels.

That's why they want God out of the public eye, else we should have to include Allah, Quetzalcoatl, and Thor as co-equal.

How would you like it if Hong Kong wanted to consider John Lee Ka-chiu's enemies his cohorts, and then refuse to put up any references to John Lee Ka-chiu in public, because they would have to put his "friends" up as well?
 
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Yup.

Thanks for the QED.

Give Allah equality with JEHOVAH.
Nope.
Give the American Allah worshipers equal rights as the American Jehovah worshipers. And the Vishnu worshipers and the Ahura Mazda worshipers and all the other worshipers. And people who don't worship at all.
 
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Give the American Allah worshipers equal rights as the American Jehovah worshipers.

That's neat.

Give the worshipers equal rights to worship something you have no clue what is.

That's like finding a suspicious package in the hallway and playing catch with it.
 
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That's neat.

Give the worshipers equal rights to worship something you have no clue what is.
It's wrong to judge another, especially if one has no clue what it is that they are judging.
That's like finding a suspicious package in the hallway and playing catch with it.
What's suspicious to you may be crystal clear to another.
 
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America gives ALL people, regardless of their religion or none, equal rights.

And in our classrooms, America gives ALL spiritual entities, regardless of their true identities or none, equal airtime.
 
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It's wrong to judge another, especially if one has no clue what it is that they are judging.

What's suspicious to you may be crystal clear to another.

Tell that to the judge who sentenced Shoko Asahara to prison for worshiping Shakti in Aum Shinrikyo ("supreme truth").

He didn't like his deity being just a figurehead, and wanted to worship her the way she was meant to be worshiped.

So he did something about it.

Do you know what religion considers the United States as "Great Satan" and Israel as "Lesser Satan"?

The same religion academia thinks should have equal airtime with Christianity.

So much for your "crystal clarity."
 
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Yes, equally none.
As it should be, though many a
faux- patriots wants the Constitution
rewritten to favour them and theirs above
the law of the land.
 
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Gimme a break. Genesis says exactly how. It says that He did it by an act of supernatural creation
The Bible does not say that at all. Never once is the word: "supernatural" in the Bible. People need to quit adding words that are not there and make an attempt to understand the words that are there. We know God uses the laws of science to create. The more science we know, the better we are going to understand our Bible.
 
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