Is WTC Owner Larry Silverstein the Key to Breaking 9/11 Wide Open?

[Paul01]

So architects don't study structural engineering as part of their course? That architects aren't ultimately responsible for engaging structural engineers as part of the design team? They might not be ultimately responsible for structural integrity of the building but they are building professionals who are expected by clients to endorse an opinion given by an engineer. In other words, we need to know enough "to keep the b#$tards honest". You wouldn't value the profession medical opinion of an experienced nurse just because he/she is not a doctor?

Architects serve a valuable purpose, but they don't have anywhere near the same technical background that real (not landscaping) engineers are required to have. Engineering curriculums are loaded with heavy theory and higher math. Lumping them into the same "engineers and architects" category is ridiculous. Architects bascially make things look pretty, engineers figure out how to make them work.

 

[sword_of_truth]

Architects serve a valuable purpose, but they don't have anywhere near the same technical background that real (not landscaping) engineers are required to have. Engineering curriculums are loaded with heavy theory and higher math. Lumping them into the same "engineers and architects" category is ridiculous. Architects bascially make things look pretty, engineers figure out how to make them work.

Engineering, like most things, can be simple or complicated. You don't need to be an engineer or an architect to understand the simple concept that an unsupported column cannot continue to carry a load. For an entire building to collapse uniformally must indicate that all the columns are unsupported simultaneously. This cannot result from organic processes like fire. The main purpose for Architects & Engineers for 911 Truth is to offer the public an opinion of a professional body to reassure the lay person that they can trust their own eyes and their common sense to conclude that WTC7 was demolished. We are so conditioned to accept the opinion of a guy simply because he is wearing a white coat, he must know what he is talking about. If you can't draw that conclusion from watching the video, and you don't care for building professional opinion, well, that's your trip.

 

[Dave Ellis]

Engineering, like most things, can be simple or complicated. You don't need to be an engineer or an architect to understand the simple concept that an unsupported column cannot continue to carry a load. For an entire building to collapse uniformally must indicate that all the columns are unsupported simultaneously. This cannot result from organic processes like fire. The main purpose for Architects & Engineers for 911 Truth is to offer the public an opinion of a professional body to reassure the lay person that they can trust their own eyes and their common sense to conclude that WTC7 was demolished. We are so conditioned to accept the opinion of a guy simply because he is wearing a white coat, he must know what he is talking about. If you can't draw that conclusion from watching the video, and you don't care for building professional opinion, well, that's your trip.

Controlled demolitions are not done uniformly though.... It's always done in a chain reaction and the building never falls equally.

So if you're correct and the building fell uniformly, that's actually evidence against your point.

 

[WalksWithChrist]

For the record, Larry Silverstein doesn't own the WTC. He's the developer and property manager. He was hired by the owner. Which is the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. The Port Authority had their headquarters in one of the towers, and lost over 80 employees in the attack, BTW.

If the article can't get a simple fact like this straight, its credibility is jack squat.

I asked about the source, twice, and still have not gotten a reply.

 

[Paul01]

Engineering, like most things, can be simple or complicated. You don't need to be an engineer or an architect to understand the simple concept that an unsupported column cannot continue to carry a load. For an entire building to collapse uniformally must indicate that all the columns are unsupported simultaneously. This cannot result from organic processes like fire. The main purpose for Architects & Engineers for 911 Truth is to offer the public an opinion of a professional body to reassure the lay person that they can trust their own eyes and their common sense to conclude that WTC7 was demolished. We are so conditioned to accept the opinion of a guy simply because he is wearing a white coat, he must know what he is talking about. If you can't draw that conclusion from watching the video, and you don't care for building professional opinion, well, that's your trip.

I draw my conclusions based on my education and experience as engineer who has designed structures myself. I'm not blindly following what a supposed group of "experts" think might have happened based on "common sense". Out of about 1.5 million engineers in the U.S., they found 2000 (most of which are not engineers at all and have no business commenting on structural design) willing to sign - a miniscule minority. However, there is scientific evidence to support the official story. The NIST has produced a report, available for public scrutiny, that simulated the WTC 7 collapse using FEA, which backed up the official story. Anyone with an internet connection can access their report, including experts all over the world that could refute the data. Has 911 Truth produced anything comparable to explain the WTC 7 collapse? If they want to be taken seriously by the other 99.9% of engineers in the U.S., they are going to have to produce real data that can be scrutinized by the scientific community.

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

Engineering, like most things, can be simple or complicated. You don't need to be an engineer or an architect to understand the simple concept that an unsupported column cannot continue to carry a load. For an entire building to collapse uniformally must indicate that all the columns are unsupported simultaneously.

See, this is yet another problem with non-engineers trying to understand structures. What you really mean is that you saw a video where the building collapsed quickly.

The loads on individual load-bearing members weren't uniform, but the final transition where certain members failed and transferred their load to other members, which then also failed, happened very quickly, not in slow motion. Hence you look at a video, see a building collapse quickly and conclude that "all the columns are unsupported simultaneously"

The main purpose for Architects & Engineers for 911 Truth is to offer the public an opinion of a professional body to reassure the lay person that they can trust their own eyes and their common sense to conclude that WTC7 was demolished.

"Trust our experts"

We are so conditioned to accept the opinion of a guy simply because he is wearing a white coat, he must know what he is talking about.

"Don't trust other experts"

If you can't draw that conclusion from watching the video, and you don't care for building professional opinion, well, that's your trip.

"No - just trust the "experts" who agree with our version"

....is what that last paragraph sounded like.

 

[Btodd]

It's also always worth pointing out that the initial collapse was of the East mechanical penthouse falling down into the building, a sign of interior failures, and it certainly would have done a lot of structural damage as it fell.

There was already a bulge in the southwest corner of the building, as reported by firefighters, who also noted the creaking sounds hours before it collapsed.

As for the claim that it looked like a controlled demolition, it only did in the fact that it fell quickly, as Trogdor already noted. However, that's the ONLY way that one can claim it was like a demolition. Unlike a demolition, it did not show explosions going off in sequence all the way up the building prior to collapse, nor was such a thing audibly observed.

THIS is what a controlled demolition looks and sounds like:

Tight Fit - Demolition - YouTube


That building was not as tall as WTC 7, either. Nothing of the sort happened on 9/11, so the controlled demolition hypothesis is complete nonsense.


Btodd