Is touching yourself a Sin???

[Theophilus7]

I 'spose 'cause the person wanted to. Charasmatic's do tend to give a lot of thought to their thoughts though, so what one might answer elsewhere might be more Charasmatic in thought here

Ok Quaffer. You're the boss.

But I have yet to hear anyone comment on the substance of my post, where I actually tried to suggest a possible Judeo-Christian route towards a solution.

Do people agree/disagree with the appeal to Jewish law, for example?

Pip pip.

T7

 

[Jim B]

Ok Quaffer. You're the boss.

But I have yet to hear anyone comment on the substance of my post, where I actually tried to suggest a possible Judeo-Christian route towards a solution.

Do people agree/disagree with the appeal to Jewish law, for example?

Pip pip.

T7

T7

Your observations are very well studied. (I finally took the time to read your entire post #10 )

First century Gnostic Christians also borrowed the notion from the Greeks that matter and the human body were evil and Victorianism did much the same in relatively modern times. I will have to admit, I am also ashamed of the human body – but, hey, you’d be ashamed, too, if you had mine.

I think your views are well founded.

Thanx.

Jim
\o/

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Ok Quaffer. You're the boss.

But I have yet to hear anyone comment on the substance of my post, where I actually tried to suggest a possible Judeo-Christian route towards a solution.

Do people agree/disagree with the appeal to Jewish law, for example?

Pip pip.

T7

Boss! I did not make any boss statements! I'm just amused with all the threads on this subject all over the board. . it was just a matter of time before it came here. Really, I'm not complaining or making fun. . .just amused to see how many will or will not discuss it and what will be said. Notice: I have not said much other than my amusement

I have not yet thoroughly read your other post yet but I will make it a point to do so.

Pip pip

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

Boss! I did not make any boss statements! I'm just amused with all the threads on this subject all over the board. . it was just a matter of time before it came here. Really, I'm not complaining or making fun. . .just amused to see how many will or will not discuss it and what will be said.

I have not yet thoroughly read your other post yet but I will make it a point to do so.

Pip pip

Notice: I have not said much other than my amusement

Yeah Quaffer, I noticed that, lol. Do you have an opinion on this subject, or are you going to reserve your judgement regarding this topic .

 

[Big Mouth Nana]

Interesting point. I'm not so sure us Charasmatics are so openminded when it comes to debating certain issues. Personally I think we have this tendancy to come across with this super spiritual persective on things that really do not require some deep theological debate but rather an honest straightforward answer.

I guess it comes back to JimB's question.

Do Charasmatics touch? Who knows, but it would be nice to know what they think about it all the same.

I would however beg to differ, we are all adults and I have read some of the debate regarding this topic in other forums and although at times they tend to get a little heated I think their very interesting and straight to the point.

So have I, and I have seen some of them get pretty risque. Not necessarily on this site, but other sites. Most of the people on this sight, I have found to be very level headed, and direct at the same time.

Why is it uncomfortable to discuss?

It could be difficult to discuss, just because of peoples up bringing. I don't have that problem personally. Everything was discusssed openly in my home. I think that Christians should be open to discussing anything. How do we know that somewhere down the line, we might run into someone that asks our advice on this very subject, or other sexual subjects? Are we going to blush, and tell them that we don't feel confortable talking about that ? I'm sure not.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

I think various arguments can be made against masturbation which are reasonably satisfactory - but probably not watertight. In the end, since we might not be able to give a definitive answer, it may be necessary to leave it up to individual Christians to seek God's will for themselves, and then leave them be. The text which comes immediately to my mind is in Romans 14:23: "whatever is not of faith is sin". If we are bringing (and being exhorted to bring) our lives, as a whole, before the penetrating scrutiny of the Holy Spirit, in revent submission and with spiritual attentiveness, I think any practices that constitute serious sin will, in time, become apparent to us. We will not feel justified in doing them.

T7

I think Theophilus that you put this together well. I don't know if it's sin or not but I'd say the same as you "whatever is not of faith is sin", and if we are participating in something that we don't have absolute faith is not sin then for us what we are doing at that moment is.

 

[KleinerApfel]

Useful advice from Christian couple:

http://www.themarriagebed.com/masturbation.shtml

Blessings, Susana

 

[KOJACK]

The bible does not discuss this subject matter! We shouldn`t add another law , don`t we have enough problems trying to fulfil all the other laws and commandments? its hard to type with hairy hands.

 

[Newsboy1900]

you know a speaker once told me this even if its not a sin is it really worth your time ???

but i feel its wrong because of what it makes you think i dont know any guy that dont lust about somethen if they do it i had a big battle with lust i read a book called Every Man's Battle i suggest reading it it helped

 

[Faith In God]

The bible does not discuss this subject matter! We shouldn`t add another law , don`t we have enough problems trying to fulfil all the other laws and commandments? its hard to type with hairy hands.

what? no one can keep the law! "Those that live under the law will be judged by that law." You try to keep the commandments, then you are trusting in your own righteousness to save you!

 

[KOJACK]

so if i don`t live under the law can i still continue to have hairy hands ,or do i have to start waxing my hands?

 

[New_Wineskin]

so if i don`t live under the law can i still continue to have hairy hands ,or do i have to start waxing my hands?

Answering that question would be providing another law .

 

[heath]

u r so right but its hard tho ....i still really dont know what 2 do when i get u know........i try 2 think about other stuff 2 get my mind off of it but still... i need help....i know its the devil

 

[Faith In God]

Wow. Unearthed a very old thread...

Hm. My beliefs have changed quite a bit.

u r so right but its hard tho ....i still really dont know what 2 do when i get u know........i try 2 think about other stuff 2 get my mind off of it but still... i need help....i know its the devil

Pray a lot. Reading the Bible will also help get your mind off of things.



And welcome to CF!

 

[Questioning Christian]

Okay, let's make one thing perfectly clear, and get something straight right from the get-go:

WOMEN DON'T touch!!!

What a LIE! Yes, they friggin' DO!

Okay, now that we got THAT out of the way ...

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I am not calling masturbation a blessing or whatever. Basically, I look at the DESIRE for sex as God-given, and I don't think I will get any argument there, except with the groups that forbid to marry, teaching their adherents this doctrine of devils [I Timothy 4:1-3].

My point is that we can let it be a camp fire or a forest fire. If it becomes a forest fire, the natural, holy, God-given desire becomes lust. I am not speaking at all about masturbation. I am talking bout the acknowledgment of a gift given to us by God, that being the desire to have sex. How it relates, is that many people feel guilty when they touch, because of lust, when, they may just be feeling a strong expression of frustrated sexual desire, and it might just be misused. Basically, I wanted to point out that we should not condemn ourselves for what God has put in us [meaning, the desire itself], not to call "common" or "unclean" that which God has given us, which is good and holy, just to let everyone know to be free of condemnation on their conscience, in Jesus' name.


Beloved, if our hearts condemn us, God is greater than our hearts, and knows all things.

So, my point is not to address masturbation, but to address feelings associated with it. On judgment day, I don't think God will thunder down and say, "WHY DID YOU DO THAT?" I think he will say, "You didn't have to do that. I had something better for you." Now, in the case of a single man who has a hard time finding a good woman, I think God will judge that case individually. Or, he may judge individually, for instance, a friend of mine, who has been dating this woman for nearly 5 years, and they want to abstain from sex, but they are not ready to get married. So he masturbates to release himself, to avoid the temptation with her. I believe that God will honor my friend's intent to honor his bride-to-be, by my friend abstaining from pre-marital sex. I believe that God looks favorably on what my friend has in his heart - avoiding fornication.

So ... I think we should leave that part up to God and let him have his perfect way with us, and not be so harsh on those whose sexually-frustrated situations that we don't understand.

We need to remember: God is near to those who are broken in heart (sexually-frustrated, etc) and that he is able to comfort his brethren, seeing that he was tempted in all points like we are. Let's exercise some compassion, not judgment, on people who touch. Why don't we find out WHY they touch?

Maybe they were sexually molested/assaulted.

Maybe they were exposed to pornography at an early age by an irresponsible perverted adult loved one.

Maybe it's a divorced person who hasn't found a good person to marry yet.

Maybe it's a single Christian male, who has no chance to get married, because all the Christian women have "Kissed Dating Goodbye", and the women think we ought to go back to horse-drawn carriages and cave wall drawings, and these same women wear provocative clothing, give really close hugs, and call us late at night just to talk, leaving us feeling lonely and unfulfilled during the night hours.

Maybe it's a single man who God has promised, and spoken to, over and over again, that he will get married and find fulfillment, but the time has flown by, and it just doesn't happen, because he keeps getting rejected.

Maybe it's a single woman who has been deeply wounded by a broken relationship/engagement and who has had a hard time putting herself out there in the dating pool again, afraid to be hurt again.

Maybe it's a twentysomething vulnerable person, who, in their teens, "innocently" sexually experimented, and now is trapped in an old bondage that they haven't found freedom from.

Maybe it's just a soul that Jesus died for, who has unmet sexual and emotional needs.

Maybe it was YOU at one time. Just a few things to think about.