Is tithing your expectation when giving?

[Always in His Presence]

It maybe part of worship and can mean any per cent , I do say !!

If I remember , Israel had to tithe more than 23 per cent , Lev 27:30-32 and in Num 18:21-24

dan p

We agree it is a part of worship. Glad we can find common ground

 

[ozso]

Jesus said, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret.

He said that about giving to the poor, but I personally apply it to giving to church as well. I put cash in the offering plate, so there's no record of how much I give, and I don't keep track of it.

 

[Strong in Him]

2Cor sure sounds like worship

I don't think anyone has disputed, or would dispute, that a tithe is about worship. But the question of the OP is "do you need to tithe according to the Scriptures?"
In the first place, tithe means 1/10 or 10%. We do not NEED to give 10%; it could be 12%, 5%, 25% or some other figure.
Secondly, according to the Scriptures the tithe was always food, which was taken to the temple, blessed and then eaten. Families benefitted from their own tithe. So if we tithed according to the Scriptures we'd all have allotments, we would take 10% of our crops to the Temple in Jerusalem - or to church, to make things easier - and EAT it.
That is tithing according to the Scriptures.
Hence my first answer, which was, "no".

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

You can read a Catholic's perspective in the link below

True tithing means giving more than 10 percent

Tithing (giving 10 percent of one’s income) remains a fairly rare practice across many churches. Many Christians—particularly Catholics—give far less.

uscatholic.org

 

[Always in His Presence]

I don't think anyone has disputed, or would dispute, that a tithe is about worship. But the question of the OP is "do you need to tithe according to the Scriptures?"
In the first place, tithe means 1/10 or 10%. We do not NEED to give 10%; it could be 12%, 5%, 25% or some other figure.
Secondly, according to the Scriptures the tithe was always food, which was taken to the temple, blessed and then eaten. Families benefitted from their own tithe. So if we tithed according to the Scriptures we'd all have allotments, we would take 10% of our crops to the Temple in Jerusalem - or to church, to make things easier - and EAT it.
That is tithing according to the Scriptures.
Hence my first answer, which was, "no".

Post #2

 

[Strong in Him]

Post #2

That doesn't say that we NEED to tithe. And the instruction about tithing in Leviticus/Deuteronomy was always about food.
It seems that some church leaders read about tithing, translate it as "you must give 10% of your income to the church" and put pressure on people, or give them a hard time, if they don't.

 

[Always in His Presence]

That doesn't say that we NEED to tithe. And the instruction about tithing in Leviticus/Deuteronomy was always about food.
It seems that some church leaders read about tithing, translate it as "you must give 10% of your income to the church" and put pressure on people, or give them a hard time, if they don't.

Post number one ask about tithing do we need to tithe.

Post number two my answer no

what are you arguing about?

Do we need to tithe? Do we NEED to worship?

No, we don’t need to do either of those things but how can you love God and not worship?

 

[Bobber]

When something is done for the very first time - it sets precedent.

But what do you think Gen 14 (as you quoted) sets a precedent of? Of tithing as a continual practice of life? All it says in G14 is that he gave A Tithe at this one point in time. There's no record he searched out Melchizedek every time he made income and gave him 10%.

Notice two things here. Blessed be Abram (his pre covenant name). Because of this - the tithe predates the Covenant, before the Law.

But does that say tithing was done as a practice?? Or does it rather say he gave 10% of the spoils of the war to this High Priest at this one time.

Tithing is not Old Testament - it is pre covenant.

If you're saying there's an example of someone giving another 10% of something in that era true. One can't go to say that now should become a law over our conscience that we need assume certain conclusions that were never made in those scriptures.

 

[Always in His Presence]

But what do you think Gen 14 (as you quoted) sets a precedent of?

I said it multiple times - Tithing is an act of worship - Abram was grateful to God for delivering his enemy into his hands and in thankfulness and worship he gave a tithe of all his increase -

Key word - worship -

Of tithing as a continual practice of life? All it says in G14 is that he gave A Tithe at this one point in time. There's no record he searched out Melchizedek every time he made income and gave him 10%.

Is there any proof that Abram ever worshipped God in the same way? It is a poor exegetical argument you seem to be following.

But does that say tithing was done as a practice??

Do you practice worship more than just on the Sunday's you go to church?

Or does it rather say he gave 10% of the spoils of the war to this High Priest at this one time.

If you're saying there's an example of someone giving another 10% of something in that era true. One can't go to say that now should become a law over our conscience that we need assume certain conclusions that were never made in those scriptures.

If you don't want to tithe - don't tithe -

No one should force you to worship in word, song or tithe. God will not love you less, but there are benefits to worship - even with the tithe.

I couldn't tell you the exact amount I give between tithes and offerings because I don't track it, just like I don't track my times in praise. All I have is His - so it I worship Him with 10% or 100%, it's still worship.

I wish followers of Christ would not judge on mere money - the ones who tithe should not judge the ones who do not - likewise the ones who choose not to tithe should not judge the ones that do.

It's the love of money that is really the issue many times.

 

[Always in His Presence]

FWIW. I am the Senior Pastor of a church. We believe and speak the truth on tithing.

If you were to ask me who gives what in tithes and offerings, I could not tell you because I do not know.

I don’t care what they give and I don’t want to know. I just know it is good to worship god with your dances and God receives the worship and is pleased.

 

[Strong in Him]

what are you arguing about?

I'm sorry if it came across as arguing. My comments were two-fold:
Do we NEED to tithe? No. Some may be able to afford 1/10 some may not. Some may believe that some of their 1/10 should go to charities.
Do we need to TITHE? No; for the same reason. Giving is an act of worship, yes - the NT pattern was to give, or to least share, everything - joyfully and freely. But some people might give 5%, others 75% - it need not be 10%.

 

[Strong in Him]

I said it multiple times - Tithing is an act of worship -

So is giving; it doesn't have to be 10%.

Abram was grateful to God for delivering his enemy into his hands and in thankfulness and worship he gave a tithe of all his increase -

Absolutely.
But he didn't give it to an institution so that a building could be maintained, redecorated and the organ repaired.

Do you practice worship more than just on the Sunday's you go to church?

Absolutely.
And my giving, and weekly service, has led me to volunteer for, and support, charities.

If you don't want to tithe - don't tithe -

That's what I was saying in answer to the OP. Do we NEED to tithe? No.

I wish followers of Christ would not judge on mere money -

Agreed.
And tithing, according to the Scriptures, is not about money anyway. The tithe was always food.
I have heard of churches that are very dogmatic about tithing - there was one near us - and say that it is Scriptural. I have never met anyone who tithes as described in the OT. They translate crops into cash and teach that it needs to go to the church.
In the OT people took their tithe to the temple and then ATE it - joyfully and with thanksgiving. How many people are given their tithes back and told "go and buy lunch for your family, a bit extra for the priests and the poor and then we'll all sit and eat together - in fellowship"? That's what happened in the OT - doesn't happen now.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Okie dokie - I've stated my beliefs- we don't have to agree - Blessings!

I come to speak about worshiping God - not complain about what someone else is doing.

I wish followers of Christ would not judge on mere money - the ones who tithe should not judge the ones who do not - likewise the ones who choose not to tithe should not judge the ones that do.

 

[Guojing]

I have heard of churches that are very dogmatic about tithing - there was one near us - and say that it is Scriptural. I have never met anyone who tithes as described in the OT. They translate crops into cash and teach that it needs to go to the church.
In the OT people took their tithe to the temple and then ATE it - joyfully and with thanksgiving. How many people are given their tithes back and told "go and buy lunch for your family, a bit extra for the priests and the poor and then we'll all sit and eat together - in fellowship"? That's what happened in the OT - doesn't happen now.

In the Word of Faith church that I sometimes watch their online services, they claim tithe is not important, but

1. If you want to serve in the "platform ministry", like choir, band performer etc, you have to have a tithing record.
2. When you pray for healing and are not healed, they will check your tithing record, and if you are not regularly tithing, they will use the parable of the unjust steward, and say, if you have not trusted God in your earthly wealth, why should you be trusted with true riches, aka healing.

Sounds contradictory.

 

[Strong in Him]

In the Word of Faith church that I sometimes watch their online services, they claim tithe is not important, but

1. If you want to serve in the "platform ministry", like choir, band performer etc, you have to have a tithing record.
2. When you pray for healing and are not healed, they will check your tithing record, and if you are not regularly tithing, they will use the parable of the unjust steward, and say, if you have not trusted God in your earthly wealth, why should you be trusted with true riches, aka healing.

Sounds contradictory.

That's awful.
Both the teaching and their misuse of Scripture.

 

[Always in His Presence]

In the Word of Faith church that I sometimes watch their online services, they claim tithe is not important, but

1. If you want to serve in the "platform ministry", like choir, band performer etc, you have to have a tithing record.
2. When you pray for healing and are not healed, they will check your tithing record, and if you are not regularly tithing, they will use the parable of the unjust steward, and say, if you have not trusted God in your earthly wealth, why should you be trusted with true riches, aka healing.

Sounds contradictory.

Link - I don't believe you.

 

[Guojing]

Link - I don't believe you.

Well I am not here to prove anything, but that parable did have this passage that could be potentially misused, which is Luke 16:10-11

10 He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much.

11If therefore ye have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches?

Its a clever way for the Word of Faith pastor to say that, while you cannot buy healing with money, not being faithful in using your money to bless the church shows your lack of faith in trusting God for your healing, that explains your lack of healing.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Well I am not here to prove anything, but that parable did have this passage that could be potentially misused, which is Luke 16:10-11

10 He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much.

11If therefore ye have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches?

Its a clever way for the Word of Faith pastor to say that, while you cannot buy healing with money, not being faithful in using your money to bless the church shows your lack of faith in trusting God for your healing, that explains your lack of healing.

You claim to watch them on line, but cannot provide a name or link. Interesting.

 

[Guojing]

You claim to watch them on line, but cannot provide a name or link. Interesting.

Like I said, I am not trying to prove anything to you.

If you don't want to believe it, I am fine, just sharing my experience with a WOF church.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Like I said, I am not trying to prove anything to you.

If you don't want to believe it, I am fine, just sharing my experience with a WOF church.

I am a word of faith minister and have been for close to 40 years. I have never heard what you quoted taught or said.

If you’re going to make an accusation, you should sustain the accusation or withdraw it.